ukedchat archive session 134

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ukedchat Archive 17 Jan 2013Hosted by @ICTmagic

What are your tips for teaching andimproving spelling, punctuation andgrammar (SPAG) across the key stages?

20:01:18 ukedchat

Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @ICTmagic Tips forteaching/improving spelling, punctuation & grammar(SPAG) across the KSs?

20:02:19 ICTmagicFirstly, can we remind ourselves how much grammar we

learnt about during our own schooling? #ukedchat

20:02:34 nicoladarling78

Love blogging with the children BUT so many posts andcomments to check through before even startinganything else ;-) #inspired #ukedchat

20:02:52 smanfarr#ukedchat students lead spag starters. They have tolearn and then teach others #worksreallywell

20:02:57 Fiona_Davis

RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with@ICTmagic Tips for teaching/improving spelling,punctuation & grammar (SPAG) acro ...

20:03:03 mrpeel #ukedchat - contentious comment 1: ensure all staff,whatever subject have same awareness of literacy andissues thereof.

20:03:15 ClareBrunet

#ukedchat had a great time this week in y6 with@MichaelRosenYes ideas - swapping eg verbs andmaking silly sentences

20:03:37 EngChatUK

I've created a page on my blog solely dedicated to myposts on teaching & learning strategies:http://t.co/8zFgpxsT #ukedchat Thanks

20:03:40 smanfarr #ukedchat err none directly! Only via learning languagesand then self taught.

20:03:47 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat none! Had to be taught it by mu Old Englishprofessor at uni, before we could do the Old English!

20:03:53 dandesignthink

#ukedchat important to make sure all staff know aboutthe basics! we use these little booklets for staffhttp://t.co/D6TSpXnO

20:04:13 ChrisChivers2

RT @ClareBrunet: #ukedchat had a great time this weekin y6 with @MichaelRosenYes ideas - swapping egverbs and making silly sentences

20:04:20 mrpeel

#ukedchat contentious comment 2: treat English like anyother MFL and do not tolerate grammatical errors-onlysaving probs for KS5 if we do.

20:04:48 GeorgeEBlack

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat important to make sureall staff know about the basics! we use these littlebooklets for staff http://t.co ...

20:04:48 dandesignthink#ukedchat also make sure all teachers are marking inthe same way too http://t.co/QXx5ZZn5

20:05:18 Queen_Claire

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat important to make sure

all staff know about the basics! we use these little

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booklets for staff http://t.co ...

20:05:20 mrpeel#ukedchat plenty of grammar - I am 50 this year and justgot in on the end of it!

20:05:24 nicoladarling78 @dandesignthink love the look of these :) #ukedchat

20:05:38 HeyMissSmith #ukedchat Forgetting the stupid SPAG test would be agood start.

20:05:47 ICTmagic @mrpeel Sounds about right! #ukedchat

20:06:10 VictoriaRedshaw@dandesignthink they are fab. Where are they from?#ukedchat

20:06:12 aknill

@mrpeel:#ukedchat -contentious comment 1: ensureall staff, whatever subject have same awareness ofliteracy and issues thereof.but true

20:06:27 dandesignthink

#ukedchat important to get students to double check

their own work. Just because you have finished writingdoesn't mean its finished!20:06:29 DebbieHolley1 #ukedchat very little and still splitting infinitives!

20:07:02 ICTmagicDo we think there is value in learning English grammar,even if we disagree with the KS2 SPAG test? #ukedchat

20:07:11 dandesignthink#ukedchat also give your students some tips and ideasof how to improve http://t.co/TO2J6yIY

20:07:24 CaldiesTandL

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat important to make sureall staff know about the basics! we use these little

booklets for staff http://t.co ...20:07:27 DebbieHolley1

@dandesignthink #ukedchat so agree and hard to getUni students to do it!

20:07:31 davidErogers#ukedchat introduce 'banned words' in order to increasevocab, e.g. people, stuff, things, up,

20:07:31 CaldiesTandL

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat also make sure allteachers are marking in the same way toohttp://t.co/QXx5ZZn5

20:07:54 smanfarr@DebbieHolley1 I think that's just an example of a

creative mind these days! ;) #ukedchat

20:08:06 GeorgeEBlack

#ukedchat I teach English Language A level and even 17year olds have a fear of the big bad word GRAMMAR,which is a shame when ...

20:08:13 thechrissyt

Should spag be taught independent of other writtenlessons, in light of tests, or should we continue the waywe were before? #ukedchat

20:08:43 JOHNSAYERS

#ukedchat I am still on an uphill battle to recover mypoor English skills. I wasn't taught well in school and Iwasn't encouraged to read.

20:08:54 ICTmagic @mrpeel Interesting. Do you often give feedback about

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grammatical errors in your marking/lessons? #ukedchat

20:09 davidhunter

#ukedchat I only truly began to understand andappreciate English grammar when I TEFL trained. I gotquite far without that deep knowledge.

20:09:08 GeorgeEBlack #ukedchat ... When 3 year year olds appear to do itinnately... Some thing is going wrong in between!

20:09:30 eschoolsuk

@ukedchat @ictmagic #ukedchat the #eSchoolsplatform has a great quiz function which is used a lot forspelling quizzes

20:09:42 icpjones

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat important to make sureall staff know about the basics! we use these littlebooklets for staff http://t.co ...

20:09:52 Wonderacademy

#ukedchat Hard to discuss Literacy when the entire

profession is subject to a sustained attack by an ideologythat destroys opportunity

20:10:01 ICTmagicI must confess that, as a Y5/6 teacher, I have a keeninterest in this SPAG topic. #ukedchat

20:10:23 MisterGBrown

#ukedchat whilst we are judged by the written word informs such as the humble application form, spag will beimportant

20:10:24 ICTmagic@CaldiesLiteracy How do you make it interesting?#ukedchat

20:10:24 dandesignthink #ukedchat We also run a glad award, good literacyacross departments! http://pic.twitter.com/f6l5hXrg1improving cross curricular literacy

20:10:31 davidhunter

#UKedchat spoken English still the thing that is going tosave time and effort in the long run. And plenty ofreading!

20:10:44 Jivespin

#ukedchat Found the use of key words as anagrams aneat trick for students to closely consider spellings ofsubject vocab. Good starter too.

20:10:52 TinyAcorns

.@thechrissyt Debra Myhill research found all grammarshould be taught in context & not as stand alone.Can do as warmups easily #ukedchat

20:11 Lornachampcork

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat We also run a gladaward, good literacy across departments!http://pic.twitter.com/f6l5hXrg1 improving cr ...

20:11:01 DebbieHolley1

RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat We also run a gladaward, good literacy across departments!http://pic.twitter.com/f6l5hXrg1 improving cr ...

20:11:07 davidErogers

@Wonderacademy http://t.co/jCzP5edh #ukedchat I

disagree

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RT @Wonderacademy: #ukedchat Hard to discussLiteracy when the entire profession is subject to asustained attack by an ideology that de ...

20:11:28 aknill@dandesignthink I agree common marking strategies

needed #ukedchat

20:11:34 ICTmagic

Full stops and capital letter errors are things ofnightmares for most Primary Teachers. How can we helpchildren overcome this? #ukedchat

20:11:44 mrpeel

#ukedchat contentious comment 3 High achievement atKS5 neds precision and accuracy. This will not comefrom indulging errors lower down

20:11:48 beazeley

@dandesignthink They look good. Where from?#ukedchat

HadynRichards rules! ;)

20:12 TinyAcorns

RT @davidErogers: @Wonderacademyhttp://t.co/26lf79nk #ukedchat I disagree > superb,I geek therefore I am #ukedchat

20:45:06 andrew_cowley23 #ukedchat Remember the DfE don't tell us how tospeak/write. The people of this country do. Which is whyour language is so rich and varied

20:45:07 PascalDresseWhat methods do you use to have kids show they haveproof read/edited their writing? #ukedchat

20:45:08 bekblayton

@PascalDresse I started with follow me cards, like formaths but with different punctuation and sentencetypes.. #ukedchat


#UKedchat did they're their and there today.needed to

be done.collaborative discussion prior to writing the key#ukedchat

20:45:13 unseenflirtYou'll never be an interesting teacher. You can only bean interesting person, who teaches. #ukedchat

20:45:13 8rinaldiGrammar should be taught in context, never by itself andin Ss writing to be meaningful #ukedchat

20:45:33 CaldiesLiteracy

@ICTmagic I only became aware of how to showextreme sarcasm this year: use (!) at the end. Thestudents live this quirky stuff! #ukedchat

20:45:39 NatEdTrust

RT @LearningSpy: Top recommendation: Don't Call ItLiteracy by @RealGeoffBarton http://t.co/gNyVFF4e#ukedchat

20:45:40 LearningSpy@mberry @ICTmagic There sure are! Really hard toplay if you've no idea what the rules are. #ukedchat

20:45:43 GwenelopeRT @LearningSpy: @davidhunter Here are all my postson literacy: http://t.co/oAMPndVS #ukedchat

20:45:58 ICTmagic

@mberry That sounds fascinating. Once turned myclassroom into a board game when learning aboutmoney in maths. @learningspy #ukedchat

20:46:03 Lornachampcork @8rinaldi @PascalDresse Authenticity through links

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with writing for a real audience - peers as 'proofreaders'before submitting #ukedchat

20:46:16 geraldhaigh1

Don't try to teach punctuation eg of sentence, or directspeech, before child fully understands what they

are.#ukedchat

20:46:32 tim7168

RT @geraldhaigh1: Don't try to teach punctuation eg ofsentence, or direct speech, before child fullyunderstands what they are.#ukedchat

20:46:38 unseenflirt

Call me superficial but the right outfit can make or breaka day in the classroom #ukedchat #dapperettiquette#neverdressdown

20:46:58 aknill

#ukedchat sorry dropped out there, ongoing promotion ofthe skill if proof reading own work. Linked idea own work

is an advert for you-pride20:47:07 ICTmagic

What age do you think 'formal' grammar lessons shouldstart & what should be taught first? #ukedchat

20:47:08 mrpeel#ukedchat - need to go and mark... cheerio all. Here'shoping for snow!

20:47:10 mrlockyer

@tim7168 Yes, this is brill for poetry too! I tell them thisis how Bowie writes. They look at me like I'm fromanother planet! #ukedchat

20:47:28 oIdandrewukLoving the great examples of punctuation practice

showcased in another brilliant #ukedchat tonite

20:47:33 callmepolly

RT @unseenflirt: Call me superficial but the right outfitcan make or break a day in the classroom #ukedchat#dapperettiquette #neverdre ...

20:47:39 ICTmagic @mrpeel ditto #snow #ukedchat Enjoy the marking.

20:47:53 PascalDresse

@bekblayton Sorry, not familiar with follow me cards. Orknow them by different name. I'm a New Zealandteacher just joining in on #ukedchat

20:47:54 unseenflirtSchools aren't offices. Wear what you wear - the kidswant to see who you are. #ukedchat

20:48:14 theprofspage

RT @ICTmagic: What age do you think 'formal' grammarlessons should start & what should be taught first?#ukedchat

20:48:28 SparkyTeaching

@tim7168 @mrlocker Like most things in life, there's anifty website for that... Give us a sec and we'll tweet link.#ukedchat

20:48:29 mberry

@ICTmagic and the game only really works if we followa common set of rules. [board games v good for mathsbtw] #ukedchat @learningspy

20:48:45 whatsinaname10 #ukedchat Pupils armed with highlighter pens, different

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colour for different punctuation marks - should be acolourful page!

20:48:50 PascalDresse@Lornachampcork @8rinaldi Comes back to having anaudience to write for. #ukedchat

20:48:56 davidErogers@UKLiteracy I agree and try to do most of that, but that'sbeyond the simple setting of a learning target. I think weagree :-) ? #ukedchat

20:48:58 developingTandL

RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Make writing visible,available to different audiences. Increase motivation,greater feedback/pride. Report ...

20:49 developingTandL

RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat A two page approach towriting. Found a friend or two with this. Framing writing.http://t.co/OiZ5tlR0

20:49:09 hgaldinoshea RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Make writing visible,available to different audiences. Increase motivation,greater feedback/pride. Report ...

20:49:10 HuntingEnglishRT @LearningSpy: @davidhunter Here are all my postson literacy: http://t.co/oAMPndVS #ukedchat

20:49:18 oIdandrewuk

@ICTmagic #ukedchat Formal grammar lessons shouldstart in the womb-there's some research suggesting thatthis works

20:49:25 ah_redtheatre

RT @MrACDPresent: #ukedchat Our kids have learned

the song Mr C wrote 'Punctuation Nation'http://t.co/6SFvUPQA Check out blog for FREE ...

20:49:28 TweeterofWit

RT @LearningSpy: Top recommendation: Don't Call ItLiteracy by @RealGeoffBarton http://t.co/gNyVFF4e#ukedchat


The entire success of my day can be guaranteed bylistening to the right playlist on the way in. #ukedchat#hiphoped

20:49:31 TweeterofWit

RT @mrpeel: @LearningSpy @RealGeoffBarton#ukedchat - totally agree - simplicity and clarity inexplanation

20:49:38 ICTmagicI think @Heatherleatt & @philallman1 need to findsome common ground. #ukedchat


@UKLiteracy I haven't disagreed with the imp of litacross the curriculum but with the use of a learningobjective linked to lit #ukedchat

20:49:46 ClareBrunet

#ukedchat what happened to Lord Bew'srecommendation that English was assessed by teachers,not tests?

20:50:01 Educ_job_please @ICTmagic #ukedchat Is there any evidence that

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starting grammar lessons at diff ages leads to variedperformance / outcomes later in school?

20:50:17 CaptainGove

Govetational Posters #3 Horse burgers #govieshttp://t.co/lfA8Fkxg

#Ukedchat check small print.

20:50:18 mberry

@LearningSpy but as with the best computer games,figuring out the rules is a big part of playing the game#ukedchat #morningtoncrescent

20:50:23 Vicki_ClassP

What to sign up for #classpeople CPD training beingheld in #chelt? Email to [email protected]#ukedchat

20:50:25 bobdbob

@benniekara: #ukedchat last one, I promise! This oneis useful display #punctuationpersonalities

http://t.co/q61ndIgo I love this -stolen!20:50:28 billybaig

RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat is "know your shit or knowyou're shit!" too strong for a mision statement on this?

20:50:35 Gwenelope@ICTmagic Am going to answer a question with aquestion. Why use of the word 'formal' here? #ukedchat

20:50:41 ICTmagic

@oIdandrewuk I could probably come up with a funnyexclamation mark joke about that, but it would not besuitable for #ukedchat

20:50:56 MichaelaG87

@geraldhaigh1 it's quite a hard concept for children to

understand what a sentence is. Any goodideas/explanations? #ukedchat

20:51 davidErogers@UKLiteracy Yes, but you started by saying learningobjectives. Sucess crit are different. #ukedchat

20:51:02 bekblayton

@PascalDresse train up to peer mark, two children onepiece of work in the middle, practice rules for marking,use praise #ukedchat


RT @bobdbob: @benniekara: #ukedchat last one, Ipromise! This one is useful display#punctuationpersonalities http://t.co/q61ndIgo I l ...

20:51:28 DCOldridge

RT @benniekara: #ukedchat last one, I promise! Thisone is useful display #punctuationpersonalitieshttp://t.co/DbUBIVyL

20:51:40 MrWaldram

RT @CaptainGove: Govetational Posters #3 Horseburgers #govies http://t.co/lfA8Fkxg#Ukedchat check small print.

20:51:54 ICTmagic

@Gwenelope Because I was going to ask about 'non-formal'/life experience etc next. :) #StolenThunder#ukedchat

20:51:56 ben_solly Love these literacy posts by @LearningSpy

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http://t.co/Zf17HyMV #ukedchat @abbiemann1982

20:51:58 ICTmagic

RT @Gwenelope: @ICTmagic Am going to answer aquestion with a question. Why use of the word 'formal'here? #ukedchat

20:52:18 bekblayton@ICTmagic formal grammar lessons can be taught atany age, beginning simply, but the building blocks canbe taught whenever #ukedchat

20:52:22 davidErogersAnd it's also about teachers - errors in reports arefrequent and shouldn't happen #ukedchat

20:52:31 ICTmagic @davidhunter Classic! #ukedchat

20:52:39 callmepolly

#ukedchat has anyone used Rainbow writing forgrammar and punctuation ? We're trialling it at the mo.#spag

20:52:49 mrlockyer @ICTmagic @oldandrewuk Well, the womb is close tothe colon... #hides #ukedchat20:53:18 ICTmagic @mrlockyer Oooo! Shame on you! #ukedchat

20:53:24 MissLapere

I've introduced Punctuation Points.All get a scorecard& score more points for more complex punctuationmarks to encourage its use #ukedchat


#ukedchat 10 things we need to do to save ourschools...improving SPAG is a close 11thhttp://t.co/Nb6DSs7j

20:53:45 DCOldridge RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat important to make sureall staff know about the basics! we use these littlebooklets for staff http://t.co ...

20:53:47 whatsinaname10#ukedchat Praise praise praise.... I make a big deal outof pupils using apostrophes in the correct places!

20:53:56 ICTmagic @Heatherleatt ok. Must have misread. :/ #ukedchat

20:54:05 LearningSpy@mberry An should be part of the fun #ukedchathttp://t.co/0gfeOkmU

20:54:25 CaldiesLiteracy@CaldiesLiteracy *love #damnspellchecher #ohtheirony#ukedchat

20:54:30 Gwenelope@ICTmagic Oopsy. Go grab your thunder back!#ukedchat

20:54:30 bekblayton

@MissLapere love this, saw them on @DeputyMitchellssite a few weeks back. Boys really get engaged by them#punctuationpoints #ukedchat


RT @Wonderacademy: #ukedchat 10 things we need todo to save our schools...improving SPAG is a close 11thhttp://t.co/Nb6DSs7j

20:54:57 oIdandrewuk@davidErogers Agreed #ukedchat teachers spelling isappalling but research suggests its the hours wasted on

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pupil well being that's to blame


RT @whatsinaname10: #ukedchat Praise praisepraise.... I make a big deal out of pupils usingapostrophes in the correct places!

20:55:11 ICTmagic @Gwenelope ... don't want it now... :( #ukedchat ;)

20:55:15 MrACDPresent

@callmepolly Rainbow writing helps kids associatetechnical terms to colour. New colours for prepositions,pronouns, articles?! :) #ukedchat

20:55:20 hollandcastle

RT @CaptainGove: Govetational Posters #3 Horseburgers #govies http://t.co/lfA8Fkxg#Ukedchat check small print.

20:55:35 bekblayton

RT @whatsinaname10: #ukedchat Praise praisepraise.... I make a big deal out of pupils using

apostrophes in the correct places!20:55:39 nightzookeeper

Just booked my place at #TMBETT2013 Looking forwardto catching up with #ukedchat folk there!

20:55:58 ICTmagic

Can anyone recommend any materials they are using toteach grammar for SPAG or for general Englishteaching? #ukedchat

20:56:01 amynarora

RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat How did a 20th centurychild learn to speak, read and write before rigoroustesting supported their develop ...

20:56:12 SparkyTeaching Found it! This is a great tool for demonstratingexpanding sentences. Can also create your own onthere too. http://t.co/PyuhHRaw #ukedchat

20:56:20 bekblayton@davies_lol why hello there! Joining in with #ukedchatare we?!

20:56:27 queendineen

RT @ICTmagic: Can anyone recommend any materialsthey are using to teach grammar for SPAG or for generalEnglish teaching? #ukedchat

20:56:38 rgreen_ITT

managed to miss #ukedchat by spending too longreading about implicit and explicit knowledge of grammarfor assignment

20:56:39 TonyPickford1

Safe search, Picadilo and #teachmeetchesterhttp://t.co/IywZOZI9 #ukedchat #edtech #edtools #ict#ictcurric

20:56:58 tomdgregory

@LearningSpy: THIS is why punctuation is important:http://t.co/TlP0gchv #ukedchat perfect for you to use@pantsil316

20:57:02 TinyAcorns

@callmepolly it works well, good for visual learners, buthave to be given permission to write without those

constraints too #ukedchat

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20:57:04 web20education

rt @LucianeCurator Top 10 #socialmedia #curation#startup tools #ipad winner shared 400 timeshttp://t.co/CMwfC1Jf #edchat #tlchat #ukedchat

20:57:08 Educ_job_please

@whatsinaname10 #ukedchat I agree. Recognising

and showing when the right answer is provided is goingto reinforce positive behaviour.

20:57:12 SparkyTeaching

@mrlockyer @tim7168 Found stretchy sentence link.Demonstrate extension or create your own. Really cool:http://t.co/PyuhHRaw #ukedchat

20:57:13 ICTmagicCan/should spelling, grammar and/or punctuation betaught in isolation? #ukedchat

20:57:13 mrlockyer

@KarDoh Fairly convinced that blu tack is a childcurrency. That and #lego, #postits and their own work

photocopied #ukedchat


Damn, there are some really good teachers on Twitter.Who knew procrastination could be such great CPD...?#ukedchat

20:57:24 oIdandrewuk

@davidhunter @ictmagic No jokes I was being deadlyserious.Old soviet Uni did 12 year test & measuredoutcomes were substantial #ukedchat

20:57:47 SLTchat

Advert: Great range of school issues to vote for in poll forSunday night's #SLTchat with @headguruteacher.http://t.co/WM3VQ37w #ukedchat

20:57:47 MissLapere

@davidErogers I agree. Standard of literacy incl spokengrammar & spelling & punctuation in traineeteachers needs to be high! #ukedchat


#Ukedchat thanks to @ICTmagic tonight. I'm putting afull stop on this one and sorting a few other things out.Cheers everyone.

20:58:12 TinyAcorns @ICTmagic No. #ukedchat

20:58:16 developingTandL

RT @ICTmagic: Can anyone recommend any materialsthey are using to teach grammar for SPAG or for generalEnglish teaching? #ukedchat

20:58:22 blagona

@dandesignthink: #ukedchat anyone use literacypyramids? http://t.co/EptlDLNn This is great!@dale_banham what do you think?

20:58:32 GaddafiGove

Spag Test #1 Gove, how do we prepare kids for this?Teach all known words? What does this prove exactly?#ukedchat http://t.co/lOvjlbDI

20:58:47 ICTmagic@Heatherleatt hmmm... it is the job of the host not toagree. :) #DevilsAdvocate #ukedchat

20:58:58 web20education Create killer #socialmedia animations with #videoscribe

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#startup app http://t.co/wpYLQnqk #edchat #elearning#ukedchat #tlchat #ntchat #elt

20:59:23 tstarkey1212 @ICTmagic Yes, then applied. #ukedchat


@ICTmagic Grammar/ punctutaion CAN be taught in

isolation, but it's kind of like teaching swimming on dryland. Immersion is key. #ukedchat

20:59:40 gavinsmart

VideoScribe HD app - Make a creative eye catchingvideo easily.: http://t.co/ayl5PUJ0 #ipaded #ukedchat#edtech

20:59:54 ICTmagic

For the #ukedchat record... I love grammar &teaching grammar. Used to teach ESL in China for manyyears. #DevilsAdvocate #ukedchat

20:59:55 raisechildrens

#ukedchat if one of my children didn't put full stops or

commas I'd make them read it without taking anybreaths- they soon got the idea!


#ukedchat 10 ways to keep Michael Gove out of yourclassroom...but not out of your literacy resourceshttp://t.co/Riy5zSgY

21:00:11 Gwenelope

@ICTmagic I can picture you having a proper poutnow....then flouncing away. You want to chuck a soft toyat me don't you? #ukedchat

21:00:14 SheliBBA quick catch up with #ukedchat before #DLchat starts -

looks interesting!


RT @ICTmagic: For the #ukedchat record... I lovegrammar & teaching grammar. Used to teach ESLin China for many years. #DevilsAdvoc ...

21:00:19 ukedchat

It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @ICTmagic for hosting tonights#ukedchat. The archive will be at http://t.co/0gjE1OFCsoon.

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