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How can we deal with the mindset amongst children

that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011

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LearningSpy 19:56

#ukedchat@chrisleach78 My 7 year old LOVES public praise and gets very

down if she doesn't receive a 'leaf' at least once a week.

joanne_rich 19:57

#ukedchat @chrisleach78 Just asked 15 year old son and he refused -

apparently being quoted on ukedchat would be worse than public praise

chrisleach78 19:58

I can hear that Eastenders has finished so I guess its time to kick off

tonight's discussion #ukedchat

LearningSpy 19:58

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat However, my 6 year old gets v upset by public

fuss. Go figure. this limited smple shws us that no one size fits all

chrisleach78 19:59

RT @LearningSpy: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat However, my 6 year old gets

v upset by public fuss. Go figure. this limited smple shws us that no one

size fits all

LearningSpy 19:59 #ukedchat Is this discussion about praise or motivation?

chrisleach78 19:59

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat@chrisleach78 My 7 year old LOVES publicpraise and gets very down if she doesn't receive a 'leaf' at least once a

week.

chrisleach78 19:59

#ukedchat How can we deal with the mindset amongst children that it is

not 'cool' to do well at school?

chrisleach78 20:00

@LearningSpy I guess it's a bit of both because they both have an affect

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:00

It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it

cool to achieve in school

LearningSpy 20:00

#ukedchat I put a lot of effort into teaching growth mindsets & extrinsic

motivation . Knowledge is power

CreativeEdu 20:00

It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it


ianpocock 20:01

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78

topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school

CreativeEdu 20:01

RT @chrisleach78: I've just written a blogpost to hopefully kickstart some

discussion for tonight's #ukedchat --> http://t.co/TMRVQNy

chilledteaching 20:01

I think we lay the foundations early in schooling when children LOVE

praise, but don't get any! #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:01

RT @CreativeEdu: It's not 'cool' to achieve in school<how to address this?

#ukedchat Tonight at 8

ProEdNet 20:01



chrisleach78 20:01 RT @JenniH68: My 13 year old just wants his work marked! #ukedchat

StuartMaginnis 20:01 #ukedchat be persistent, and show them how good it is to succeed.


Too cool to achieve? Does this sneak in during KS2 more so than the early

years and KS1? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:02

#ukedchat I begin GCSE course with a scheme on motivation & mindsets.

http://t.co/XfRoIRQ

AsherJac 20:02

#ukedchat I think it's a lot to do with fun. Where learning is perceived to

be fun, being good at it is cool.

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CreativeEdu 20:02

RT @chilledteaching: Too cool to achieve? Does this sneak in during KS2

more so than the early years and KS1? #ukedchat


...or see an imbalance in praise. They work hard, and it doesn't get noted,

whereas others get praise thrown on them whenever! #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:02

@ChilledTeaching I've seen it develop in Y4 and then take hold in y5

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:02

#ukedchat Some people really hate being praised in public, so that can

have a negative effect on them.

mattpearson 20:02

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How can we deal with the mindset amongst

children that it is not 'cool' to do well at school?

kath_brentford 20:03

My primary gives out certificates for 100% attendance and class with

highest gets cup at Y/E. I think it's silly but kids love it #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:03

RT @PivotalEllie: We have a helpful document about 'Using praise' here if

anyone is interested. http://t.co/s2xvhBj #ukedchat

Dunfordjames 20:03

#ukedchat other than that - know your children well. What makes them

tick? What's popular in the area they live in?

LearningSpy 20:03 @breanainn #ukedchat I think I'm confused. I meant intrinsic! Whoops


I am going to throw down the gauntlet! Perhaps it is the disenchanted

pupils in the middle who need more attention! #ukedchat

StuartMaginnis 20:03 #ukedchat over praise can also have an negative affect.

joanne_rich 20:03

#ukedchat Was it ever 'cool' to do well in school? I left in 1986 and the

school 'swots' were universally disliked until 6th form

chrisleach78 20:03 #ukedchat - what is more impiortant - Praise or Motivation?

a_p_martin 20:03

#ukedchat letters home praising specific achievements are good ( older Ss

love them) the letters are talked about amongst friends

Langnut 20:03

#ukedchat The intrinsic issue is that adults aren't cool, and adults teach

kids...

mattpearson 20:03

do a big brother show of people just watching Jeremy Kyle and ask them

if they want more for themselves? #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:03

#ukedchat Tonights title makes the assumption that it is desirable or

necessary. But why is it? Not everything has to be edutainment

PivotalEllie 20:03

We have a helpful document about 'Using praise' here if anyone is

interested. http://t.co/s2xvhBj #ukedchat

tj007 20:03

Sometimes you can get a class to enjoy their success but then it not mean

anything outside the classroom walls...peer pressure? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:03

Not easy to reverse , if it is a "school culture", but gradual erosion of 'anti-

boffism' can work! Subtle praise & reward... #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:03

RT @AsherJac: #ukedchat I think it's a lot to do with fun. Where learning

is perceived to be fun, being good at it is cool.

breanainn 20:03 @LearningSpy What's the benefit of extrinsic motivation? #ukedchat

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chrisleach78 20:03

#ukedchat there is always the perceived injustice with praise - some

children get it all the time, and some for what seems to be nothing

Dunfordjames 20:03

#ukedchat why not try #hiphoped if you teach kids into #hiphopculture?

Have a look at @husslington 's excellent video for more info.

GeekPeter 20:04@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Naughty kids get praised when they're betterthan normal but good kids don't get anything sometimes.

chilledteaching 20:04 Has race or social class got anything to do with it all? #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:04

I think it's about seeing a purpose to success whether through positive

role models or clear explanation of where success leads #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:04

#ukedchat Surely "cool" is neither here nor there... relevant, meaningful,

useful are the key. Students need to see a link to success

LearningSpy 20:04

@chrisleach78 Motivation is much more important - praise is just a tool

to achieve this #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:04

#ukedchat Mybe it's about choice. Ppl are proud to show they've chosen

to do something, not so proud that they've just obeyed instructions.

chrisleach78 20:04 @EmathsUK but shouldnt children enjoy being at school? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:04

@EmathsUK #ukedchat What isn't desirable? Children wanting to do

well?

MissAPatterson 20:04

#ukedchat I would definitely notice that attitude in KS3, more so in

Northern Ireland's Yr9 & 10 (England Yr 8 & 9) 'cool' not to do well!

GeekPeter 20:04

#ukedchat I think some students will try hard to achieve to please

someone they respect, relationships with staff are very important.


@sonicwaffled But is that an attention/behaviour issue, rather than a

choice? #ukedchat

kanda_hh 20:04

Are teachers ever guilty of 'playing down' achievement to protect the

others? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:04

@chrisleach78 Is interesting that in this country we don't celebrate

success, we knock it down in the US, success is everything #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:04RT @PivotalEllie: #ukedchat Some people really hate being praised inpublic, so that can have a negative effect on them.

GeekPeter 20:05

RT @Dunfordjames: #ukedchat other than that - know your children well.

What makes them tick? What's popular in the area they live in?

ukedchat 20:05

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Surely "cool" is neither here nor there...

relevant, meaningful, useful are the key. Students need to see a link to

success

KiDu89 20:05

Get the kids involved in the planning of lessons where possible & use

'apprentice style' group work cross-curricular tasks #ukedchatMrsPrentice11 20:05 what's the topic please? #ukedchat

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springrose12 20:05

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat I think teenagers are very self-concious but if

there is a praise culture in the school it's easier on students

LearningSpy 20:05

@PivotalEllie Disagree - extrernal motivators can be a real barrier to

learning #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:05RT @GeekPeter: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Naughty kids get praised whenthey're better than normal but good kids don't get anything sometimes.


@PivotalEllie #ukedchat Totally agree with this. The thought of getting

praise actually makes them not want to do well when they are capable

sonicwaffled 20:05

@ChilledTeaching I had a boy in my Reception class who hated any sort of

positive comment/attention. Very difficult situation #ukedchat

tj007 20:05

@kath_brentford Which is great, but by secondary some students go out

of their way to not collect house points and awards :-/ #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:05

RT @chilledteaching: I am going to throw down the gauntlet! Perhaps it is

the disenchanted pupils in the middle who need more attention!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05




#ukedchat rewarding children who eat some veg at lunchtime is

perceived as unfair by children who always eat it.

LearningSpy 20:05 @GeekPeter Yes a real problem. #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:05

@LearningSpy #ukedchat @chrisleach78 Praise is an external motivator.

Students really need internal and external motivators to achieve most

bellaale 20:05



karenshancock 20:05

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Tonights title makes the assumption that it is

desirable or necessary. But why is it? Not everything has to be

edutainment

Dunfordjames 20:05

#ukedchat even better if your teaching staff is reflective, to a decent

extent, of the community you serve. Role models are the key.

chrisleach78 20:05RT @GeekPeter: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Naughty kids get praised whenthey're better than normal but good kids don't get anything sometimes.

chrisleach78 20:05

RT @GeekPeter: Receiving genuine praise from staff the kids respect is a

good one, same as us adults, hollow praise means nothing! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:06

#ukedchat is there a gender gap or do both boys and girls see success as

uncool?


@hancheetham Do you find pupils come to school with the attitude

already, or does it develop whilst in 2nd'ary? #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:06

@hancheetham #ukedchat Kids will try harder for staff they like, no doubt

about it!

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PivotalEllie 20:06

#ukedchat Often it is the students that shy away from praise the most & r

hardest to praise that need it most. Trying to protect themselves

cherrylkd 20:06

@chilledteaching #ukedchat I think it starts in upper ks2. Ch suddenly

don't like being singled out for anything, even praise it seems


@tj007 agreed, had one child enter Year 7 and refuse to collect house

points he was entitled to because it was stupid. #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:06

RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat getting families to value school achievement

is crucial this can help create a groundswell in the whole community.

BenRogersOVA 20:06

We've got kids believing they can achieve. When kids say it isn't cool to

achieve, they are really saying they think they can't #ukedchat .

EmathsUK 20:06@PivotalEllie #ukedchat that's not what I said. It's the being cool bit thatdoesn't matter. Kids can want something without it being cool

ukedchat 20:06

RT @chilledteaching: Has race or social class got anything to do with it all?

#ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:06

#ukedchat getting families to value school achievement is crucial this can

help create a groundswell in the whole community.

PivotalEllie 20:06

@sonicwaffled #ukedchat Did you find strategies that worked with this

pupil?

hancheetham 20:06

@ChilledTeaching i would definitely agree that it is the disenchanted

pupil. peer pressure is the biggest factor with this #ukedchat

MattFothergill 20:07

#ukedchat every now and again you see a child that is both clever and

"cool". Need to highlight them when found.

chrisleach78 20:07

@EmathsUK ok so the use of the term cool is a bit vague but it is all about

children wanting to achieve #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:07 @EmathsUK Yes - not sure "cool" matters at all. #ukedchat


@cherrylkd I can relate to that though. Perhaps we need to praise in less

public ways! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:07

@EmathsUK #ukedchat But the issue here is that if it is not seen as cool

to achieve then some kids don't want it. Don't want to achieve.

mathsnqt 20:07

#ukedchat we should celebrate all pupils' success, be it academic,

sporting, or something outside school

Rachel_deSouza 20:07

RT @BenRogersOVA: We've got kids believing they can achieve. When

kids say it isn't cool to achieve, they are really saying they think they can't

#ukedchat .


In terms of public praise, there's difference btw saying well done to name

& calling them to stand up in assembly & walk to front #ukedchat

teachitso 20:07#ukedchat Dweck's work suggests the aversion by many to visibly try hardis linked to concerns about what possible failure implies to others

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bellaale 20:07

struggling with Twitterfall on my eee pad... might have to just watch...

#ukedchat

EmTeaches 20:07

Some children have such rubbish home lives, that they will always have

more pressing concerns than doing well at school #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:07@GeekPeter @chrisleach78 this is really dangerous. been teachingsecondary for 4 yrs and have been told this again and again #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:07

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Yes, but that isn't the same as it being cool.

Enjoyment comes from success and empathy

StuartMaginnis 20:08

#ukedchat having inspiring learning happening will engage the students.

They will then be motivated and the prizes etc are then a bonus.

hancheetham 20:08

@ChilledTeaching both, parental/sibling attitude has a massive impact

too particularly if -ve towards school #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:08Perhaps we need to be more discreet when telling pupils that they aredoing well, especially as they become more self-aware #ukedchat

springrose12 20:08

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat My son always appreciates when he gets a

commandation in year 9. He is proud of his praises..

Dunfordjames 20:08

â€œ@chilledteaching: Has race or social class got anything to do with it

all? #ukedchatâ€ • - yes, to the extent of knowing your school well.

joanne_rich 20:08

#ukedchat In previous school top 40 housepoint achievers in each year

group got free trip - black market trade developed

ukedchat 20:08

RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat getting families to value school achievement

is crucial this can help create a groundswell in the whole community.

LearningSpy 20:08

@teachitso Yes - and what it means to ourselves - if I fail then I am a

failure so I won't try #ukedchat

MrsPrentice11 20:08 @ukedchat thanks :)

PivotalEllie 20:08

@LearningSpy #ukedchat Why? The ideal is that you are self-motivating,

but external motivators really help some children to attain that.

EmathsUK 20:08

#ukedchat It is natural and right that kids don't want to percieve anything

as "cool" that their parents value :-)

mattharding007 20:08

#ukedchat I'd argue in Primary School children generally love to learn, but

this goes as they get older.richhicking 20:08 Check out my blog http://t.co/Am6TN3z #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:08

@MrsPrentice11 how to change the attitude that it's not cool to do well

in school #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:08

RT @mathsnqt: #ukedchat we should celebrate all pupils' success, be it

academic, sporting, or something outside school

PivotalEllie 20:09 @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Praise in private.

Langnut 20:09 #ukedchat past y8, do chn care about praise/rewards? My lot don't.

AsherJac 20:09

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It is natural and right that kids don't want to

percieve anything as "cool" that their parents value :-)

richhicking 20:09

Make all our students are "teacher's pets"- catch them all doing

something right and show them their value #ukedchat

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#ukedchat The children's attitude stems from the parents. We should aim

for parents having high hopes for their children & to value learning

KiDu89 20:09

@PivotalEllie V. true. Praise is not always accepted by all children. Know

your pupils and know what works for them as individuals #ukedchat


#ukedchat it's a cliche but having trendy cool/geeky people like@ProfBrianCox really helps change attitude of whether it's good to be

cool

chrisleach78 20:09 so what is the best method of praising children? #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:09

#ukedchat It has been nice to see a move towards individuality in recent

years - being intelligent isn't always seen as a bad thing

sonicwaffled 20:09

RT @GeekPeter: @hancheetham #ukedchat Kids will try harder for staff

they like, no doubt about it!

cherrylkd 20:09

@ukedchat #ukedchat I think it's boys who are first to think success is

uncool but girls quickly follow when they want a b friend

ClaireJoanne35 20:09

@GeekPeter I agree - children don't seem to achieve as much if they

don't like their teachers #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:09

@mattharding007 This CAN be the case but actually I think almost all

children want to learn #ukedchat

thedippyhippy 20:09


academic, sporting, or something outside school

PivotalEllie 20:09

#ukedchat RT @anmajac: @PivotalEllie Oh that is so very true! A lot of

our lower ability students would ratheâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/qOOfgtW

politicsteacher 20:10

RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat is there a gender gap or do both boys and girls

see success as uncool?

EmathsUK 20:10

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat So the discussion is really about how to get kids

to want to achieve

chrisleach78 20:10

make children realise that not knowing something isn't a bad thing and

that they shouldnt be afraid to fail #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:10

#ukedchat @chrisleach78 Praise that involves communicating

achievements with parents or allows child to show something to parents

is v good

GeekPeter 20:10

@joanne_rich #ukedchat We work on 'net' points in SIMS - total of

achievement pts minus behaviour logs

KiDu89 20:10

RT @StuartMaginnis: #ukedchat having inspiring learning happening willengage the students. They will then be motivated and the prizes etc are

then a bonus.

tj007 20:10

Do you think more students would accept praise if they are proud of

something that makes them excited?Catering for their feelings?

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:10

@PivotalEllie The idea is that if you"pay" someone they are doing it for

wrong reasons - will go into more detail later? #ukedchat


@Dunfordjames @hancheetham #ukedchat Maybe down to parents own

negative school experiences. We need 2be more discreet 2 improve self-esteem

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mattpearson 20:10

do you think that celebrity culture is partly to blame. Most celebs come

across as anti-intellectual. Do kids latch onto this #ukedchat


@hancheetham @ChilledTeaching #ukedchat I agree,peer pressure is

huge factor.Sumtimes they r reluctant to admit it is fun in front of peers

MrsPrentice11 20:10a fear of failure leads to chn not trying and acting like ti's not cool tolearn, they're mostly scared #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:10

@EmTeaches do you not think rubbish home lives can also act as a

motivating influence? its important not to use this as an excuse

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:10 Don't forget to use the hashtag! #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:10 Don't forget to use the hashtag! #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:10


academic, sporting, or something outside school<< Do we not then?

ukedchat 20:10 @bellaale apparently echofan is good on the I.pad #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:11

#ukedchat What about ch who work hard and want to succeed but don't

want to be seen as uncool by receiving public praise? Shouldn't force it


#ukedchat Make celebration of achievements part of the school culture.

I'm sure all schools say they do it, but do they?

politicsteacher 20:11

@ukedchat #ukedchat what do they see 'success' as at all? Celebrity?

Work avoidance? An easy life? Academic achievement? Wealth?

a_p_martin 20:11

I agree â€œ@GeekPeter: @hancheetham #ukedchat Kids will try harder

for staff they like, no doubt about it!â€


@chrisleach78 to not compare with other children, which is difficult & to

ask them how they feel they've achieved #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:11

RT @kath_brentford: #ukedchat it's a cliche but having trendy cool/geeky

people like @ProfBrianCox really helps change attitude of whether it's

good to be cool

PivotalEllie 20:11

@KiDu89 #ukedchat Yes it really helps when you know your students, but

until you do, then err on the cautious side.

ukedchat 20:11

RT @chrisleach78: so what is the best method of praising children?

#ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:11@ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat That's why student / staff relationships andunderstanding of each other are so important.

karenshancock 20:11

#ukedchat Isn't the mere fact that we are discussing this a suggestion that

as teacher's we pander to it?


#ukedchat knowing your students helps to know what works. Also bring

consistent throughout the school is important.

chrisleach78 20:11

@EmathsUK and to not be afraid of achieving or to mock those who do

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:11 @chrisleach78 Surely this depends on the child #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:11

#ukedchat how can we reward success in ways that won't damage kids'

street cred?

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a_p_martin 20:11

@EmathsUK @pivotalellie is being 'cool' a distraction? 'Coolness' can

change quickly. It's getting 'cool, Ss to value school. #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:11

@mattpearson #ukedchat YES there is a strong element of anti-

intellectualism in the media today, has a huge impact.

hancheetham 20:11

@EmathsUK but also vice versa kids often don't perceive achieving as

cool if their parents don't value it #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:12

RT @mattpearson: do you think that celebrity culture is partly to blame.

Most celebs come across as anti-intellectual. Do kids latch onto this

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:12 #ukedchat@kath_brentford Praise must be sincere.

ukedchat 20:12

#ukedchat a lot of mention of parents - how can we work with them on

this?

sonicwaffled 20:12

@PivotalEllie Praise with little fuss, just subtle comments. Quite often I'd

praise him with another so as not to single him out. #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:12I've seen children tear down work from display and be in tears whencalled out in assembly #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:12

#ukedchat Look at your Year 11 C / D border target group - how many of

them are 'party animals' - the socially popular underachieve

dailydenouement 20:12

RT @kanda_hh: @richhicking absolutely! Make every child feel 'special'

on a regular basis ... give them time, attention, a smile! #ukedchat

DepJo 20:12

#ukedchat I think it's about teaching children to work hard for

themselves, not just to gain praise from others.. That inner self

confidence


I mean, I heard of one secondary who invite the pupils to have 'tea' with

the HT to celebrate success! I mean...get real! #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:12

#ukedchat Kids would engage more if the curriculum was relevant to the

world that they will be adults in... it's hundreds of years behind!


Praise has to be honest and fair. Students spot fake praise and are rightly

contemptuous #ukedchat

camhitachi 20:12

Are links with local businesses useful? Meet future employers/learn about

careers etc? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:12

@a_p_martin #ukedchat I think it is part of our job as teachers to make it

cool to learn - but it becomes harder the older the students are

kanda_hh 20:12

@richhicking absolutely! Make every child feel 'special' on a regular basis

... give them time, attention, a smile! #ukedchat

KiDu89 20:12

@chrisleach78 Praise effort. Saying to a kid "I can tell you've put a lot of

work into this" is far better than saying "well done" #ukedchat

teachitso 20:12

@chrisleach78 so what is the best method of praising children? Experts

take 10,000 hours to create. Praise effort and tenacity #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:12

#ukedchat I think everyone values success and achievement. It's the field

of success or achievement that turns them off.

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LearningSpy 20:12

@kath_brentford There is no one less "cool' than David Crystal but kids

are mesmerised by him #ukedchat

springrose12 20:12 @chrisleach78 Postcards home work too. #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:13 @SheliBB I am being controversial tonight ;0) #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:13 #ukedchat Personal acknowledgment is just as important as praise.

Arakwai 20:13#ukedchat I think a big factor in turning things around at my school wasextra-curricular activities, esp Performing Arts.

GeekPeter 20:13

RT @StuartMaginnis: #ukedchat knowing your students helps to know

what works. Also bring consistent throughout the school is important.

EmTeaches 20:13

@hancheetham Not always. EG: If a chd is worried about an alcoholic

parent, why should they care about doing well in a maths test? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:13 RT @HelenCSimpson: #ukedchat @alfiekohn http://t.co/NFQcjIS

EmathsUK 20:13@chrisleach78 #ukedchat I'd rather instill confidence to be an individual,so that they say "up yours" to anyone that does mock

ukedchat 20:13

RT @AsherJac: #ukedchat I think everyone values success and

achievement. It's the field of success or achievement that turns them off.

mattbuxton10 20:13

The motivators need to be intrinsic to each kid; external factors will only

result in superficial motivation! #ukedchat

HelenCSimpson 20:13 #ukedchat @alfiekohn http://t.co/NFQcjIS


Yes. I do too. RT @kath_brentford: I do know many children who like the

postcard home to parents for small achievements system #ukedchat

MisiesD 20:13

@ukedchat We used Groupon XFactor day Â£59 for 15 children as reward

at end of term. Great success.

ukedchat 20:13

RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat Make celebration of achievements part of

the school culture. I'm sure all schools say they do it, but do they?

Dan_Aldred 20:13

#ukedchat is praise not motivating. Lack of praise is so therefore praise is

v important.

cherrylkd 20:13

@MattFothergill #ukedchat I disagree. Public praise isn't for everyone and

it may put them off working hard and achieving.

MissAPatterson 20:13#ukedchat Praise depends on the pupil,once you get to know them,u canpraise them appropriately.Sum wil benefit from quiet individual praise

Educationchat 20:13

#ukedchat Shouldn't we all be relaxing on our summer holidays? Typical

teachers. #welovethejob

tj007 20:13

@cherrylkd very true. After learning the hard way, I get to know which

pupils prefer private or public rewards. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:13

Agreed RT @MrsPrentice11: a fear of failure leads to chn not trying and

acting like ti's not cool to learn, they're mostly scared #ukedchat


RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Kids would engage more if the curriculum was

relevant to the world that they will be adults in... it's hundreds of yearsbehind!

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RT @kath_brentford: Praise has to be honest and fair. Students spot fake

praise and are rightly contemptuous #ukedchat


I do know many children who like the postcard home to parents for small

achievements system #ukedchat

MykWagstaff 20:14

RT @mattbuxton10: The motivators need to be intrinsic to each kid;

external factors will only result in superficial motivation! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:14

RT @chilledteaching: I mean, I heard of one secondary who invite the

pupils to have 'tea' with the HT to celebrate success! I mean...get real!

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:14

@a_p_martin Yes - cool is not helpful - the teachers kids like are usually

anything but #ukedchat


@simonhaughton May I RT that into the #ukedchat discussion? How

attitudes have changed!


RT @AsherJac: #ukedchat i think the method of praise is less important,

getting them interested in what they are doing is key, then happy to be

praised.

richhicking 20:14

@ukedchat differentiate rewards & make sure they are valued. Make sure

sanctions don't become rewards by following a positive model 4 all.

ukedchat 20:14

RT @PivotalEllie: @a_p_martin #ukedchat I think it is part of our job as

teachers to make it cool to learn - but it becomes harder the older the

students are

a_p_martin 20:14

@karenshancock exactly - coolness is a distraction. It's about valuing

education #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:14

#ukedchat If we weren't driven towards testing children wouldn't feel a

failure if they weren't good at Lit or Num. They might enjoy school.

AsherJac 20:14

#ukedchat i think the method of praise is less important, getting them

interested in what they are doing is key, then happy to be praised.

cherrylkd 20:14

@tj007 #ukedchat I think that's correct. I'm not a fan of public praise for

myself. It puts me off, even now.

jodieworld 20:14

#ukedchat Older children def need praise to be more sincere and

relevant.They reject stickers/housepoints in exchange for pride in own

work

chrisleach78 20:14

RT @MrsPrentice11: research with my class showed they really want

praise from friends & family not teachers, blogging helped them get that#ukedchat

philallman1 20:14

RT @chrisleach78: ive seen chn tear dn work from display & B in tears

when called out in assembly #ukedchat< s/thing wrong w/ culture then

NickHartSlough 20:14

#ukedchat Address the idea directly with children at a sensible level. Be

clear about how we learn and what success is.

tobyholman 20:14

#ukedchat To make it 'cool' to achieve, it MUST be 'cool' to aim to

achieve

MrsPrentice11 20:14research with my class showed they really want praise from friends &family not teachers, blogging helped them get that #ukedchat

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SheliBB 20:14

â€œ@springrose12: @chrisleach78 Postcards home work too.

#ukedchatâ€• yes, and little certificates to take home, but have only used

these in ks1

DepJo 20:14

#ukedchat & when they have strong self confidence they don't care if it's

cool or not.So maybe we should ask how do we improve self esteem?

chrisleach78 20:14talk of individual levels of praise - how many people work in school'swhere they have achievem,ent assemblies? #ukedchat


RT @Arakwai: Once it becomes cool to be involved & successful in school

act's - sports, stage crew, street dance then it can spread to lessons.

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:14



Arakwai 20:14

Once it becomes cool to be involved & successful in school act's - sports,

stage crew, street dance then it can spread to lessons. #ukedchatbellaale 20:15 @ukedchat I have an EEE pad (Asus!) ;)

mikeatedji 20:15

#ukedchat Chief complaint of secondary school students is that learning

has no apparent relevance for them


postcards help because come secondary school there is a lack of

communication btw school/parents as to small piece success #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:15

@Dan_Aldred It was a fantastic piece of work - artwork that she ruined

because she was bullied #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:15

@PivotalEllie #ukedchat if by cool you mean engaging, stimulating,

relevant I agree. If you mean fashionable, I disagree.

LearningSpy 20:15

#ukedchat all praise needs to be specific and meangful. Also v important

to praise effort


@dailydenouement @kath_brentford I think when it is done quietly, so

the pupil does not expect it is when it's most effective #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:15

Making sure that children are praised for something, even if they've had a

terrible day is important #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:15

#ukedchat For many kids it is simply impossible to make achieving high

grades cool because they do not see the value in the grades.

GeekPeter 20:15

RT @EmTeaches: @hancheetham Not always. EG: If a chd is worried

about an alcoholic parent, why should they care about doing well in a

maths test? #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:15 @chilledteaching Now THAT is seriously uncool! #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:15

@ukedchat i think regular contact home to parents is key. both to praise

but also to explain value and purpose of work/achieving

sonicwaffled 20:15

@Arakwai Is that down to being a success at non-academic activities?

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:15

#ukedchat rewards and what is cool is different for lots of students you

have to personalise it but also have a system that you dictate

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joanne_rich 20:15

#ukedchat Chatting to teenage son & friend about this - yr 10 - say praise

is only bearable in top set lessons not in mixed ability

StuartMaginnis 20:15 @PivotalEllie #ukedchat agreed very important the personal touch.

mikeatedji 20:15

#ukedchat if motivation needs to be intrinsic, an important strategy

surely is to make learning as relevant as possible to lives of stdnts

18Consultancy 20:15

@ChilledTeaching #ukedchat is it too obvious that we genuinely ask

young people how they want their feedback & respond that way?

Totallywired77 20:15

#ukedchat the "I didn't do very well at school and look at me now..."

routine from parents, celebs and even teachers doesn't help

camhitachi 20:15

E.g. case study of business/school links http://t.co/KkxwRZl - evidence for

positive power of engagement, by @geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat


RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat If we weren't driven towards testingchildren wouldn't feel a failure if they weren't good at Lit or Num. They

might enjoy school.

djchug 20:15

Would Primary schools gain a benefit reduce spend with a pupil dedicated

WiFi 'hotspot' thats secure, managed, filtered and safe? #ukedchat

KiDu89 20:16

@GeekPeter I disagree "..socially popular underachieve". I wasn't

unpopular at school & loved a party... I always got good grades!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:16

RT @chrisleach78: I've seen children tear down work from display and be

in tears when called out in assembly #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:16

RT @teachitso: @chrisleach78 so what is the best method of praising

children? Experts take 10,000 hours to create. Praise effort and tenacity

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:16 @simonhaughton do you think that works well? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:16

RT @DepJo: #ukedchat I think it's about teaching children to work hard

for themselves, not just to gain praise from others.. That inner self

confidence

LearningSpy 20:16

RT @KiDu89: @chrisleach78 Praise effort. Saying to a kid "I can tell you've

put a lot of work into this" is far better than saying "well done" #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:16#ukedchat any more examples of very 'uncool' rewards for success (liketea with the HT)?!


RT @simonhaughton: #ukedchat My auntie went to schl in the 50s &

always enjoys telling me how her 'reward' oncâ€¦ (cont)

http://t.co/4cVFA1B


Relevance is key RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Chief complaint of secondary

school students is that learning has no apparent relevance for them

tobyholman 20:16

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat all praise needs to be specific and meangful.

Also v important to praise effort >>> an timely?

AsherJac 20:16#ukedchat by 'cool' I mean 'desirable' and 'something they can be proudof'

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mikeatedji 20:16

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat all praise needs to be specific and meangful.

Also v important to praise effort

LearningSpy 20:16 @cherrylkd do it discreetly #ukedchat


RT @kath_brentford: The more confidence they have in their own

abilities and personality the less worried they will be about what their

peers think #ukedchat


@18Consultancy Yes, but I still think that would have to be done

discreetly. #ukedchat Some teenagers are young in their attitudes still.

AsherJac 20:17

You'd be surprised at which kids find this valuable - teachers trying think

up 'cool' prizes often backfires. @CreativeEdu #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:17



kath_brentford 20:17The more confidence they have in their own abilities and personality theless worried they will be about what their peers think #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:17

@EmTeaches I definitely get home life can be a distraction but education

can offer a way out and a positive distraction #ukedchat


What part do you think parents/carers play in reinforcing the 'coolness'?

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:17 @chrisleach78 Really? I've never seen that #ukedchat

tj007 20:17

@SheliBB so long as the praise is meaningful and for something

worthwhile (even courtesy), then yes! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:17

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Praise depends on the pupil,once you

get to know them,u can praise them appropriately.Sum wil benefit from

quiet individual praise

PivotalEllie 20:17

@a_p_martin #ukedchat I don't mean fashionable. A lot of the time if

you get key players on your side then your subject becomes cool.


@chilledteaching: "I heard of one secondary who invite the pupils to have

'tea' with the HT to celebrate success!" #ukedchat > ha ha, agreed

SheliBB 20:17

And making the effort to tell parents something positive so that they are

not always expecting bad news when they see you #ukedchat

prairnasharma 20:17

#ukedchat Celebrate success in all corridors, case studies of successful ex-

students everywhere&what they do now, so they see bigger picture

EmathsUK 20:17

#ukedchat Did anyone in this conversation think school was cool? I

certainly didn't! Cool does not equal desire to achieve

chrisleach78 20:17

@CreativeEdu previous school has reward as playing chess with HT - it

was also the most severe punishment #ukedchat


The simple truth is that the earlier you persuade children that it's cool the

easier it is to keep that up as they get older #ukedchat

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JOHNSAYERS 20:17

#ukedchat some live work displayed on wall, blog, newsletter, medals,

fancy pens, tokens, hi5/10 sticker, phone call home, planner stamp etc

teachitso 20:18

Read Daniel Pink's Drive. Compelling evidence that motivation driven by

having some autonomy, pursuit of mastery and task purpose #ukedchat

bellaale 20:18

RT @simonhaughton #ukedchat - Getting children interested in what they

are learning is important, just read @kâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/EiHmY0e

PivotalEllie 20:18

@cherrylkd @sonicwaffled #ukedchat Yes, great idea to praise in a pair

or group. The reluctant taker of praise can take lead from others

ukedchat 20:18

RT @tobyholman: #ukedchat To make it 'cool' to achieve, it MUST be

'cool' to aim to achieve

bellaale 20:18

RT @JOHNSAYERS: #ukedchat some live work displayed on wall, blog,

newsletter, medals, fancy pens, tokens, hi5/10 sticker, phone call home,

planner stamp etc

Dan_Aldred 20:18

Reward assemble each term for merits attendance most improved sports

music and general kindness. Lots of certificates and choc! #ukedchat"


@CreativeEdu # #ukedchat although our students enjoy being sent to the

head to show them their outstanding work or achievements.

mikeatedji 20:18

#ukedchat What about agreeing rewards? at least negotiating them...not

just as another control mechanism but genuinely

ukedchat 20:18

RT @chrisleach78: talk of individual levels of praise - how many people

work in school's where they have achievem,ent assemblies? #ukedchat

EmTeaches 20:18

Quality pastoral care is vital for many more vulnerable chn - this is the

first step in engaging chn to believe learning is cool. #ukedchat

elliejcox 20:18




RT @mathsnqt: If everyone viewed themselves as successful, then it

would be cool to achieve and celebrate others' achievements #ukedchat

@karenshancock

breanainn 20:18@LearningSpy #ukedchat Ah, I agree. I think it's uncool to surrender to anundemocratic agent's judgment of value, without testing them 1st

ukedchat 20:18

RT @Arakwai: Once it becomes cool to be involved & successful in school

act's - sports, stage crew, street dance then it can spread to lessons.

#ukedchat

mathsnqt 20:18

If everyone viewed themselves as successful, then it would be cool to

achieve and celebrate others' achievements #ukedchat @karenshancock

cherrylkd 20:18

@sonicwaffled @pivotalellie that's a good idea. Safety in numbers .

Lessens the embarrassment #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:18@simonhaughton does it change as they get older though? older childrenless responsive? #ukedchat

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BenRogersOVA 20:19

RT @a_p_martin: @karenshancock exactly - coolness is a distraction. It's

about valuing education #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:19

#ukedchat Why would you want to achieve if you felt you had no stake in

the eventual outcome?

PivotalEllie 20:19

#ukedchat Most important that praise is meaningful & not for its own

sake.

EmTeaches 20:19

@hancheetham I agree, and it is our job as teachers to show chn that this

is the case #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:19

â€œ@CreativeEdu: #ukedchat surely some very 'uncool' rewards (like

tea with the HT)?! Are so uncool they become cool?

tobyholman 20:19

@ukedchat From the off, spending time with classes to find out about

them...what makes them tick / learn / achieve

chrisleach78 20:19@EmathsUK so how as teachers ca we help children develop their self-esteem? #ukedchat

Arakwai 20:19

@sonicwaffled Yep, partly. And just enjoying them, building relationships

with staff & making school an OK place to want to be. #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:19

@a_p_martin Exactly - has to be more than just what is happening in

school #ukedchat

jadeano 20:19

@ukedchat we give out special ties to boys who really make an

impression... Well received

springrose12 20:19 @chrisleach78 In my school we have achievement assemblies. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:19 @breanainn Sorry - I've lost my thread - what do yuo mean? #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:19 @chrisleach78 and stickers! #ukedchat

57mason 20:19

@mikeatedji agree unless more theme based approaches taken, looking

at some y4/5 project based learning resources today, amazing #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:19

@tobyholman and how can we make that happen do you think?

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:19

You can get off net personalised rewards individual for you that shows

you care and not just rewarding as every teacher does that #ukedchat


RT @simonhaughton: #ukedchat This year I'm planning on awarding

children online badges as rewards using @edmodo http://t.co/J3fkI5a

GeographyCarrie 20:19

@AsherJac Agreed - sometimes small and quiet praise goes a long way

without you even realising it #ukedchat

helenhamill 20:19

#ukedchat have had to see my 16yr old son take coursework from bin wa

so upset at negative damning...teacher uses this with all boys fitsall

chrisleach78 20:19 #ukedchat can you overdo certificates so they become meaningless?

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EmathsUK 20:19

#ukedchat Most succesful people I know thought school was mundane,

mediocre, easy, tedious...but our upbringing, self-esteem made us

achieve

KiDu89 20:19




chilledteaching 20:20 @victoriaellis What about if they were posted out? #ukedchat


Isn't it also about how to be proud of your school and to think that school

itself is cool? #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:20

@EmTeaches taught in a skl 3yrs that gave 2 many excuses & was a

disservice to the kids. im now in a skl much harsher which works

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:20

#ukedchat So how do you deal with children not wanting to be seen to do

well because they are afraid of being bullied?

springrose12 20:20 @ChilledTeaching Secondary #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:20

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Why would you want to achieve if you felt

you had no stake in the eventual outcome?

sonicwaffled 20:20

@ukedchat @chrisleach78 Me too :( I've had parents sat in assembly

watching their child stood up crying when they're showing work :(

BenRogersOVA 20:20

RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat Older children def need praise to be more

sincere and relevant.They reject stickers/housepoints in exchange for

pride in own work

atko73 20:20 Boys seem to thrive on some element of competition. #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:20

@chrisleach78 Celebration ass at end of each term Academic awards,

music/dance displays etc. Really nice atmosphere. Whole school.

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:20

RT @18Consultancy: @ChilledTeaching #ukedchat is it too obvious that

we genuinely ask young people how they want their feedback & respond

that way?

tobyholman 20:20

@ukedchat And, no doubt, making mistakes on the way. eg Publicly

rewarding the shy pupil

ukedchat 20:20

20 minutes down: #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it


AsherJac 20:20

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Why would you want to achieve if you felt

you had no stake in the eventual outcome?

Dunfordjames 20:20

#ukedchat appears we're talking about use of praise and rewards.Something more intrinsic and important may make school cool.

Relevance.

CreativeEdu 20:20

20 minutes down: #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it


chilledteaching 20:20 @springrose12 Primary or secondary? #ukedchat

victoriaellis 20:20

Parents' attitude an important factor. Boy on Classroom Secrets didn't

take certificates home as his mum 'wasn't interested' #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:21â€œ@CreativeEdu: #ukedchat any examples of very 'uncool' rewards forsuccess - my wife was given a jar of honey by her HT as a EoYr award.

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teachitso 20:21

Anyone else think there is something unpalatable about school's using

schemes like Vivo Miles? #ukedchat


@ChilledTeaching @dailydenouement Praise needs to be adapted to the

pupils, and to the parents, public/private, verbal/written #ukedchat

hancheetham 20:21

@a_p_martin @CreativeEdu i've heard of 'bof badges' which really caught

on and became v.desirable. #ukedchatLearningSpy 20:21 @chrisleach78 Here's how I do it http://t.co/XfRoIRQ #ukedchat


RT @Right2_Learn: Give positive exampls for ch to aspire to. Not just with

sports, but with business, science, other industries to give role models

#ukedchat

StellaCJ 20:21

RT @kath_brentford: The simple truth is that the earlier you persuade

children that it's cool the easier it is to keep that up as they get older

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:21



#ukedchat

StellaCJ 20:21




GeekPeter 20:21

RT @Arakwai: @sonicwaffled Yep, partly. And just enjoying them,

building relationships with staff & making school an OK place to want to

be. #ukedchat

Right2_Learn 20:21

Give positive exampls for ch to aspire to. Not just with sports, but with

business, science, other industries to give role models #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:21

#ukedchat I did a token sticker in students books that parents added

praise comments in and it was interesting to see certain parents add to

EmathsUK 20:21

#ukedchat Need to make the link to achievement and success and make it

relevant to what they want to become


I think that our use of praise/recognition/reward in school must be

celebrated/supported at home - not always so, alas #ukedchat


Achievement is seen as uncool, but if the subject is seen as relevant then

surely the achievement will then become cool? #ukedchat

DrDav 20:21

RT @teachitso: Read Daniel Pink's Drive. Compelling evidence thatmotivation driven by having some autonomy, pursuit of mastery and task

purpose #ukedchat

jadeano 20:21

@ukedchat with boys competition is a great incentive if you can get the

"cool" ones onside they all want to outsmart each other.. Well most!

mattbuxton10 20:21

@mikeatedji Absolutely, however are there things they need to

know/learn now which won't seem relevant until later in life?!?!?

#ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:21 @springrose12 Do the pupils enjoy? #ukedchat Be honest!

marc_be11i 20:21

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat the "I didn't do very well at school andlook at me now..." routine from parents, celebs and even teachers

doesn't help

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mikeatedji 20:21

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat So how do you deal with children not

wanting to be seen to do well because they are afraid of being bullied?

normal_for_jp 20:21

RT @JenniH68: #ukedchat a hand on shoulder, top of head as you give

relevant praise reinforces, if possible and appropriate

kanda_hh 20:21The children need to feel that the praise is genuine ... I've sat in'celebration assemblies' where it all felt run of the mill #ukedchat

markhodges 20:21

@ukedchat boys seem to see learning as more uncool. Girls tend to see

that learning gets them on, and can realise their ambitions#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:21 @teachitso Yes - very useful with staff too! #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:22

@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat True, and I think it's still important to make

the links however

chrisleach78 20:22

#ukedchat - Hypothetical situation - very high ability boy deliberately

scores low in test because he gets bullied by classmates - Discuss

web20education 20:22

#DocumentsToGo Office Suite 4 #iPhone #iPod #iPad #edtech20

#mlearning #edchat #ukedchat #elemchat #ntchat #eltpics

http://t.co/VsPFvWq

helenhamill 20:22

#ukedchat one size fits all approach to marking needs a bit of thought?

not all like being damned or praised..but sometimes both needed

mathheadinc 20:22

@tj007 Young people accept praise that is legitimate and deserved. Praise

them for their hard work, good work. See what happens. #ukedchat

tj007 20:22

2/2 So long as teachers are consistent with appropriate rewards and

praise, this helps to reduce 'unfair' feeling to assemblies #ukedchat

tj007 20:22

1/2 Achievement / awards assemblies with family members - can be a

good experience, but can cause upset for those who missed out

#ukedchat

kanda_hh 20:22 How many certificates have you found in trays weeks later?! #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:22

#ukedchat If you make ch. aware of possible "cool" audience for work

they are happier at end of it. I.e our best film work goes on YouTube


#ukedchat I think pupils need to feel that they are listened to, that they

have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self esteem!


@atko73 But not all, my son stopped playing football for fun when it

became competitive instead #ukedchat

sonicwaffled 20:22 @chrisleach78 Definitely!!!! #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:22

@Arakwai #ukedchat like the idea of success in other things spreading 2

school work. For non academics ex curr things are more praiseworthy

EmathsUK 20:22@chrisleach78 #ukedchat This is key, isn't it. Promote individualism, giveopportunities for success, link to their world, give autonomy

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tobyholman 20:22

#ukedchat I think it's too easy / wrong approach just to say 'look at Mr X,

he achieved, you can do'. Pupils will only hook in by choice

PivotalEllie 20:22

RT @GeographyCarrie: Achievement is seen as uncool, but if the subject

is seen as relevant then surely the achievement will then become cool?

#ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:22@atko73 Aahh...so getting praise for 'house points' may actually be a wayfor rewarding less publicly then? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:22

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Need to make the link to achievement and

success and make it relevant to what they want to become

sonicwaffled 20:22

@cherrylkd It'd literally be "oh well done X that's a lovely drawing, ooh

yours is fab Y...*start talking about something else* #ukedchat


#ukedchat Perceptions of academic achievement in media (boffins have

discovered...etc) can perpetuate views. Teach Chn to spot these.LearningSpy 20:23 @teachitso Wha tis Vivo Miles? #ukedchat

Flyingstartedu 20:23

The teachers Daily is out! http://t.co/UBZQQLA â–¸ Top stories today via

@ukedchat @robertd1981 @57mason @owexelstein

AsherJac 20:23

Why do all the class need to know one another's results? Who shares

this? @chrisleach78 #ukedchat

kanda_hh 20:23 Isn't this really more to do with Aspirations? #ukedchat

sonicwaffled 20:23 @ChilledTeaching oh my god yes! #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:23

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I think pupils need to feel that they are

listened to, that they have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self

esteem!

Dunfordjames 20:23

RT @dailydenouement: Relevance is key RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat

Chief complaint of secondary school students is that learning has no

apparent relevance for them

chilledteaching 20:23 @kanda_hh We have them every week! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:23

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat So we have to foster a more supportive and

safe learning environment

LearningSpy 20:23

@GeographyCarrie John Fowles said to be cynical is to despise effort, but

to dispise effort is the greatest effort of all #ukedchat




#ukedchat

karenshancock 20:23

#ukedchat The desire to achieve must come from knowledge that what u

r doing will be useful in life (whether thru qualification or content)



listened to, that they have a voicâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/MQoR6Q5

joanne_rich 20:23

#ukedchat Previously worked in an independent school - students there

achieved highly but in general still resisted public praise

chilledteaching 20:23@markhodges But do they think they've got to work harder to get on inlife anyway? BoysvGirls debate? #ukedchat

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springrose12 20:24

@chrisleach78 I think children always find ways and reasons to bully each

other. #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:25

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel that they are listened

to, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self esteem!

CreativeEdu 20:25RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel that they are listenedto, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self esteem!

EmathsUK 20:25

#ukedchat You know, it really is ok to be uncool - they think their

Grandparents are uncool, but they still love them :-)

tj007 20:25

@MrsPrentice11 I like being awarded something, but hated going to the

stage in front of everyone else to collect it! #ukedchat

springrose12 20:25

@chrisleach78 The key issue is to deal with bullying and to treat this like

any other kind of bullying when handling the issue. #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:25

@GeekPeter Exactly. So we have to show them that either teh

qualification or the content matter. Not necessarily both! #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:25

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat we have ach ass. It's immediately obv some

won't work next week due to public praise. We've learnt not 2 do it


#ukedchat I also think pupils' self esteem is related to teachers

expectations being realistic.Achievement = positive, increased self esteem

a_p_martin 20:25

so it's all about school culture. â€œ@chrisleach78: #ukedchat - high

ability boy deliberately scores low in test because he gets bullied

PivotalEllie 20:25

@EmTeaches #ukedchat Yes, positive role models v important. Teachers

can be those too. But inviting those in from outside really helps


@jadeano Definitely, in geography this works well... any reward trips are

a good motivator for all students#ukedchat

markhodges 20:25

RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat Make celebration of achievements part of

the school culture. I'm sure all schools say they do it, but do they?


RT @mattbuxton10: We work within the parameters of a system &

national context which only values achievements at 10, 14 and 18!!#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:25

We work within the parameters of a system & national context which

only values achievements at 10, 14 and 18!! #ukedchat


@LearningSpy #ukedchat a reward system similar to tesco clubcard.

Points make prizes.


RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How do we avoid the situation where

children are bullied for being a 'boff'?

chrisleach78 20:25

#ukedchat How do we avoid the situation where children are bullied for

being a 'boff'?

SheliBB 20:25

â€œ@MissAPatterson: #ukedchat important that teachers avoid directcriticism that lowers pupils' self esteem.Instead, accentuate the

positiveâ€

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helenhamill 20:25



esteem!

tobyholman 20:25 @LearningSpy And too easy an approach to take! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:25

RT @EmTeaches: Inviting 'cool' positive role models (who thought

learning was cool) into school has really motivated my children #ukedchatspringrose12 20:26 @ChilledTeaching Some do, some don't:) #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:26 @chrisleach78 Make results private? #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:26

#ukedchat Boff protection ... clearly a long term strategy! Whole school

culture, parental involvement...targeting specific peer groups

reflectivemaths 20:26

@ukedchat @18consultancy @chilledteaching I think there's good scope

in asking Ss how they'd like praise #ukedchat

jadeano 20:26

#ukedchat took on group under achieving boys. Made lessons fun exciting

lots of praise in different ways won most boys over #gdplanning

camhitachi 20:26

@kath_brentford @Right2_Learn Case study at http://t.co/KkxwRZl -

evidence 4 positive power of business mentors, by @geraldhaigh1

#ukedchat


RT @tobyholman: @kanda_hh Agree. Making achievement cool must be

self achievement of aspiration #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:26

RT @mathheadinc: @tj007 Young people accept praise that is legitimate

and deserved. Praise them for their hard work, good work. See what

happens. #ukedchat

atko73 20:26

@kath_brentford I sympathise with that point of view-I was thinking in

the classroom-team activities to reinforce learning. #ukedchat

AsherJac 20:26

RT @CreativeEdu: RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel

that they are listened to, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their

self esteem!

victoriaellis 20:26

We have 'Form of the Term (one in each yr) decided by Head - some kids

who love that hate individual praise. #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:26

@KiDu89 Think of your C/D border target group and their type of

sociableness, would you fit into that group? #ukedchat


RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How do you encourage children in your

class to want to learn and to feel pride in their work?

chrisleach78 20:26#ukedchat How do you encourage children in your class to want to learnand to feel pride in their work?

kath_brentford 20:26 @GeekPeter and the truth is that much of it isn't useful #ukedchat

tobyholman 20:26

@kanda_hh Agree. Making achievement cool must be self achievement

of aspiration #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:26

RT @hele@StuartMaginnis Sounds appalling! I worked in a chool where

students were PAID to meet target grades! Didn't work #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:27#ukedchat Possibly controversial but has it ever been 'cool' to achieve? Ileft school 20 years ago now and people made fun of 'swots' then

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karenshancock 20:27

@GeekPeter @KiDu89 My C/D borderline group were "sociably popular"

but still over the moon when they achieved #ukedchat

EmTeaches 20:27

@PivotalEllie I agree. Inviting people in from local community gives

education a context for chn - they can see the point of it #ukedchat


@chrisleach78 Reward for individual progress rather than who gets the

highest marks. #ukedchat

newteacherstalk 20:27 Education's 'winners' & 'losers' http://t.co/9FjxdCA #A-Levels #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:27

#ukedchat just read some tweets ref 2nites topic. Shud we not be

promoting self confidence instead?? Its not about subject or cool

JOHNSAYERS 20:27

I have my xbox Kinect in class and at end of day it can be used or rewards

#ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:27

#ukedchat Have to recognise and reward talent in whatever discipline-not

just academic.Encourage diversity & celebrate community.

sonicwaffled 20:27

@chrisleach78 Great rap lyric: nerds use their minds, bullies use their

fists, who's got more gold Bill Gates or Michael #Phelps? #ukedchat

taniaglyde 20:27

As a teen I was very conscious of dumbing myself down at times. Hmm.

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:27

@LearningSpy How do you make results private? Children will always

share and then single out those who dont #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:27

RT â€œ@DepJo: #ukedchat when they have strong self confidence they

don't care if it's cool. maybe we should ask how do we improve self

esteem?


Gd idea RT @victoriaellis: We have 'Form of the Term (1 per yr) decided

by Head - some kids who love that hate individual praise. #ukedchat

helenhamill 20:27

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat bullying is more attracted to the personality

and self esteem issue...not the praise...

chrisleach78 20:27

#ukedchat Please take some time to leave a comment on

http://t.co/lCo9Xf8


Making results private doesn't work because they all compare marks, and

if they don't students will want to know why #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:28

RT @chrisleach78: RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It's all about self-esteem

and confidence - so they don't give a toss if mates think they are a geek

EmathsUK 20:28

#ukedchat Self-esteem is inversely proportional to the gap between self-

image and true-self

PivotalEllie 20:28

#ukedchat Participation in class discussions can be a problem... What do

people do to encourage involvement and make participation cool

atko73 20:28

Yr 8/9 maths supported one on one by those who are doing A level

maths. Personalises higher level study and success. #ukedchat


#ukedchat must ensure all students are worthy of praise! Hopefully they

will want to gain it.

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karenshancock 20:28

Absolutely! RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It's all about self-esteem and

confidence - so they don't give a toss if mates think they are a geek




esteem!

joanne_rich 20:28 @GeekPeter #ukedchat Absolutely!!

chrisleach78 20:28

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It's all about self-esteem and confidence - so

they don't give a toss if mates think they are a geek

AsherJac 20:28

RT @markhodges: â€œ@Educationchat: #ukedchat If we weren't driven

towards testing children wouldn't feel a failure. They might enjoy

school.â€ • totally agree

LearningSpy 20:28

@chrisleach78 Do they share if they don't want anyone to know?

Couldn't they lie? #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:28#ukedchat What about finding a project that the students felt wasimportant to them...properly important to them. Or is that too trite?

tj007 20:28

RT @victoriaellis: We have 'Form of the Term (one in each yr) decided by

Head - some kids who love that hate individual praise. #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:28

@LearningSpy #ukedchat Yes, I think making results private is a good

thing. But its not always about results but about participation...

EmathsUK 20:28

#ukedchat It's all about self-esteem and confidence - so they don't give a

toss if mates think they are a geek

markhodges 20:28

â€œ@Educationchat: #ukedchat If we weren't driven towards testing

children wouldn't feel a failure. They might enjoy school.â€ • totally agree

JOHNSAYERS 20:28 Invitation to movie afternoon on lunchtime for rewards #ukedchat

madlizz 20:28

@chrisleach78 everybody is good at something...bullying can come from

jealousy/low self esteem.Find what the bullies are good at? #ukedchat

tobyholman 20:28

@kath_brentford Self achievement of own aspiration, not just completion

of teacher set task #ukedchat

teachitso 20:28Vivo Miles. Schools pay Â£s to company for web system awards virtual Â£to kids for work. Kids accrue points and buy stuff from Vivo #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:28

@simonhaughton @chilledteaching yes. Texting really popular with

parents. The communication if choice for many #ukedchat

57mason 20:28

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat separate issue, bullying needs design with first,

promote culture of achievement rather than attainment

chrisleach78 20:28

RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat Possibly controversial but has it ever been

'cool' to achieve? I left school 20 years ago now and people made fun of

'swots' then

iamsallymoore 20:29@ChilledTeaching my Y2s get like that especially boys if not careful... theyare not motivated by stickers lol #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:29 #ukedchat so how do you teach self-confidence ?

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LearningSpy 20:29

@G_for_Gemma Doesn't this have to be school wide? Great idea though

#ukedchat


@tobyholman Yes that gets close to my definition of education - getting

them to internalise desire to learn and give them tools #ukedchat

ICTmagic 20:29Cool is in the eye of the beholder. Getting motivated students is a twoway process. Frank communication is key. Ask them! #ukedchat

Dan_Aldred 20:29

@chrisleach78: #ukedchat schools need to create an ethos of trying to

achieve. Not just rewarding but creating a striving to do well ethos.


@jennitonic80 Indeed. Being good at playing guitar is always going to be

cooler than good at maths #ukedchat

springrose12 20:29

@GeekPeter Agreed..Students were always under pressure of praises in

schools. Never too cool:) #ukedchat

MissAPatterson 20:29#ukedchat I think pupils will have more pride in their work if the rapportbetween teacher / pupil is a positive one. Encouragement too.

newmanswords 20:29

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Have to recognise and reward talent in

whatever discipline-not just academic.Encourage diversity & celebrate

community.

PivotalEllie 20:29

@EmTeaches #ukedchat My son's school have authors and sports people

in on a regular basis

jennitonic80 20:29

#ukedchat surely if kids are taught how to be their own person the rest

falls into place??

G_for_Gemma 20:29

Late in tonight: Anyone else tried 'secret student' - thoughts? I'm

unconvinced its nt just a stickng plaster that works for some #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:29

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Yes - self esteem & confidence are crucial -

we HAVE to teach these things first

GeekPeter 20:29

RT @GeographyCarrie: @chrisleach78 Reward for individual progress

rather than who gets the highest marks. #ukedchat

MisiesD 20:29

#ukedchat Pupil council decide termly rewards. In class, teachers have to

know what suits one may not suit another.

LearningSpy 20:29

#ukedchat Yes - self esteem & confidence are crucial - we HAVE to teach

these things first

chrisleach78 20:29 Halfway through #ukedchat - trying to keep up with it all

57mason 20:29

RT @57mason @chrisleach78 #ukedchat separate issue, bullying needsDEALING with first, promote culture of achievement rather than

attainment


RT @atko73: Yr 8/9 maths supported one on one by those who are doing

A level maths. Personalises higher level study and success. #ukedchat

tj007 20:30

@GeographyCarrie what about those at the top though that work hard,

but hit the ceiling. Use variety of rewards? #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:30

@teachitso that sounds like paying children with virtual money? is that a

gd idea? #ukedchat

springrose12 20:30

@chrisleach78 How about if we ask students to prepare their CV starting

from the beginning of year 7? It may encourage them #ukedchat

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LearningSpy 20:30

@chrisleach78 Well... I teach students about mindsets & how to develop

growth mindsets and then work hard to live this in lessons #ukedchat


@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Never! I've just asked my 16yo and it still isn't.

She said "you can't be a boff and be cool. Boff's show off"

BobToms100 20:30

#ukedchat Schoolwide: put a 'positive' session on timetable termly &

allow ALL chn to comment on one piece of good work they've done

chrisleach78 20:30

RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want

children to learn because there's something in it for them! We want them

to love learning!!!

Educationchat 20:30

#ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want children to learn

because there's something in it for them! We want them to love

learning!!!

PivotalEllie 20:30@jennitonic80 #ukedchat Of course that is the ideal, but in realitychildren can put up a lot of barriersâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/RB3YiRL


Remembering to also commemorate good behaviour, compassion and all

other non education skills #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:30

RT @ukedchat: Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat

they'll be inlcuded in the summary

hancheetham 20:30

looking at what motivates staff and how to praise staff is useful to apply

to students too #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:30

Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat they'll be inlcuded

in the summary

MrsPrentice11 20:30

It starts at home, sometimes it's too late RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat so

how do you teach self-confidence ?


@PivotalEllie Sweets, stickers, verbal praise, reward points... make it a

game... make the 'cool kids' team leaders... #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:30

Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat they'll be inlcuded

in the summary

jodieworld 20:30

#ukedchat Nintendo DSis used for class chats so comments can be given

"anon" work for me . I say "Well done User 7" etc rather than names


RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I think pupils will have more pride in

their work if the rapport between teacher / pupil is a positive one.

jodieworld 20:31

#ukedchat But I actively tell my kids that I am a geek & love it. Helps a lot.

I used to be teased at school but now am proud to be a geek!

victoriaellis 20:31

@ChilledTeaching Hopefully not - def think the parental reinforcement is

important though. #ukedchat

BobToms100 20:31

#ukedchat Build the sharing of the 'positive' learning experience into form

group lessons for once/week coverage. Got to change culture.

chrisleach78 20:31

RT @cybraryman1: My Motivating Students page: http://t.co/9cxONlu

#ukedchat

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hancheetham 20:31

@Educationchat but how do you get to that end point? how do you

create a 'love of learning' is praise not a useful stepping stone? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:31

@GeographyCarrie #ukedchat Yes, great. I know @pivotalpaul always did

a Kangaroo Court once a week that students LOVED.


@Smichael920 i've used that system more for sending 'good news' home

when parents have really loved #ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:31

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat One way you can help, if you are a popular and

respected teacher, is to be relentlessly positive about being a geek!

iamsallymoore 20:31

RT @ChilledTeaching .. early in schooling when children LOVE praise, but

don't get any! #ukedchat - praise can be over used for wrong things

a_p_martin 20:31

#ukedchat its about: valuing school & education. That takes self esteem, a

culture of work, family & peer support, praise, supported failure

LearningSpy 20:31

Yes #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want children to learn

cos there's something in it for them! We want them to love learning!!!

helenhamill 20:31

RT @chrisleach78: RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It's all about self-esteem

and confidence - so they don't give a toss if mates think they are a geek

BedfordVann 20:31

RT @CreativeEdu: It's not 'cool' to achieve in school<how to address this?

#ukedchat Tonight at 8

joanne_rich 20:31

#ukedchat Teens will join scouts/cadets etc and tolerate teasing from

peers because they get something from achieving - lesson there?


@Educationchat Ok, so how do you make learning cool without using

praise of any sort? #ukedchat

cybraryman1 20:31 My Motivating Students page: http://t.co/9cxONlu #ukedchat

sonicwaffled 20:31

@Smichael920 We use texting to let parents know about events - plays,

training days etc. Never thought about using it for praise! #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:31

RT â€œ@victoriaellis: 'Form of the Term (one in each yr) decided by Head

- some kids who love that hate individual praise#ukedchatâ€ • good idea

chrisleach78 20:31

RT @MattFothergill: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Never! I've just asked my

16yo and it still isn't. She said "you can't be a boff and be cool. Boff'sshow off"


RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Have to recognise and reward talent in

whatever discipline-not just academic.Encourage diversity & celebrate

community.

mikeatedji 20:31

RT @LearningSpy: @chrisleach78 Well... I teach students about mindsets

& how to develop growth mindsets and then work hard to live this in

lessons #ukedchat

markhodges 20:31

@EmathsUK agreed. Fostering ambition and self esteem lead to success,

not necessarily 'coolness' #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:31

#ukedchat the reward sdhould be the pride a child feels in achieveing

something - not a certificate that then gets crumpled and lost

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RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I agree parental attitude can make impact. I

told one parent how great her child did. She turned to child and said "You

Geek!" :-(

tobyholman 20:31

@kath_brentford And to recognise that not all aspire to complete task /

course / school but they too can 'achieve' #ukedchat


@reflectivemaths @18consultancy @chilledteaching "I think there's good

scope in asking Ss how they'd like praise #ukedchatâ€ • > exactly!


@iamsallymoore You see the 'social' aspect of reward and praise kicking

in at that age, IMHO! If a friend acts cool, others will #ukedchat


RT @BobToms100: #ukedchat Schoolwide: put a 'positive' session on

timetable termly & allow ALL chn to comment on one piece of good work

they've done

jodieworld 20:31#ukedchat I agree parental attitude can make impact. I told one parenthow great her child did. She turned to child and said "You Geek!" :-(


#ukedchat "We want them to love learning" @educationchat The answer

is simple - Make the curriculum FUN, ENGAGING, RELEVANT !

LearningSpy 20:32 @sonicwaffled What is EYFS? #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:32

RT @cybraryman1: My Motivating Students page: http://t.co/9cxONlu

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:32

â€œ@MattFothergill: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat "you can't be a boff and

be cool. Boff's show off"â€ • - exactly my experience. I opted for cool.


@victoriaellis Completely agree! Even the most disenchanted of children

look for praise from their parents. #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:32 @EmathsUK oh I am - 'Super Geek' - #ukedchat

G_for_Gemma 20:32

@Educationchat #ukedchat, true but why do people enjoy something,

because something let's them see the outcome. That something is praise

sonicwaffled 20:32 @LearningSpy @chrisleach78 That's why they're in the EYFS :D #ukedchat

Edu_Trends 20:32 My Motivating Students page: #ukedchat http://t.co/rrj4kbw


#ukedchat Better, 'cooler' role models in society in general who got

where they got to through education

EmTeaches 20:32

@PivotalEllie That's a good point. It must be regular - not lip service to

community engagement. Positive role models are vital #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:32

Behaviours & attitudes are learnt; do many schools celebrate staff

achievements in front of students in assemblies etc? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:32 @ConsultantHead No! #ukedchat


@karenshancock @EmathsUK That's not going to happen though. They

are SO socially aware #ukedchat Who is to stop a nasty f/b

comment/text?

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@tobyholman exactly, needs to be measured on personal scale of

measurement, not deviation from the norm or govt standards #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:32 @57mason Read my blog post http://t.co/XfRoIRQ #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:33

@ChilledTeaching @EmathsUK But it's about accepting that you are a

"geek" and being proud of it. #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:33

â€œ@MattFothergill: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat "you can't be a boff and

be cool." totally messed up my secondary education because of this.

Langnut 20:33

#ukedchat Watching Crimewatch while following this. Should we content

ourselves with the majority of ch not looting shops these days?

EmathsUK 20:33

@ChilledTeaching @karenshancock #ukedchat It's not about stopping

nasty comment, it's about them being confident enough to not be hurt by

it

chilledteaching 20:33I've got the answer. Tell teens that if they don't do well in school, we willpublish on Facebook that they are doing really well! #ukedchat

Spongelab 20:33

Use the tech that is cool in kids' culture, make it edu RT @bedfordvann:

RT @CreativeEdu: It's not 'cool' to achieve in school #ukedchat


RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat "We want them to love learning"

@educationchat The answer is simple - Make the curriculum FUN,

ENGAGING, RELEVANT !


RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Can I recommend Carol Dweck's "Mindset"

which tackles question of praise and difficult to reach students...

tj007 20:33

@reflectivemaths Maybe channel 5 should have a STEM Big Brother ;-)

#ukedchat


#ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic

motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status of

achievement.

mikeatedji 20:33

#ukedchat Can I recommend Carol Dweck's "Mindset" which tackles

question of praise and difficult to reach students...

hancheetham 20:33

RT i think this is v. important @jodieworld #ukedchat I actively tell my

kids that I am a geek & love it. Helps a lot.

dailydenouement 20:33I'm setting me a target of 2 positive parental phone calls per wk - effort,achievement, behaviour. Want to share good stuff! #ukedchat

teachitso 20:33 â€¦cont) #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:33

@GeographyCarrie Don't make it cool - make it interesting & meaningful

#ukedchat


RT @LearningSpy: Yes #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want

children to learn cos there's something in it for them! We want them to

love learning!!!

joanne_rich 20:33

@GeekPeter #ukedchat Not at all - just great to see similar opinions -

thought maybe it was just me!!!

chrisleach78 20:33

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat "We want them to love learning"@educationchat The answer is simple - Make the curriculum FUN,


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JOHNSAYERS 20:33

Bowling evenings invite parents and students. Or just students #ukedchat

attend sport events as often they can be poorly attended #ukedchat

57mason 20:33 @LearningSpy cheers will have a look #ukedchat

madlizz 20:33

@GeekPeter but who laughs when the 'swots' are earning good money

etc? As chn the bigger picture isn't seen. #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:33RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How do we avoid the situation wherechildren are bullied for being a 'boff'?

owexelstein 20:34 @natty08 @chrisleach78 Sorry used wrong hash tag #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:34

#ukedchat my 1000th tweet! to say... It's not easy being being a

teacher,eh!

ukedchat 20:34

Lots of people suggesting we ask pupils how the like to receive praise...

anyone tried it? what's the answer? #ukedchat


RT @sm_morris: @ChilledTeaching Ha ha great idea #ukedchat - I may be

onto something here ;-)

CreativeEdu 20:34

Lots of people suggesting we ask pupils how the like to receive praise...

anyone tried it? what's the answer? #ukedchat


@LearningSpy Yep agree, said that earlier, but praise is a nice hook for

them as well. #ukedchat


@G_for_Gemma: @Educationchat #ukedchat Children need to want to

achieve for their own satisfaction, not for any praise or reward

JOHNSAYERS 20:34

Lots of girls love music lunch time where they can come along do karaoke

and sing #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:34

@hancheetham @jodieworld #ukedchat A colleague has this attitude is

one of the most liked teachers in the school

LearningSpy 20:34 @mattbuxton10 good point #ukedchat

iamsallymoore 20:34

If we are building self motivation and management into learning

where/how does praise fit? #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:34

#ukedchat and I have posters in the room to spark discussion from the

children


@karenshancock I'M PROUD!!! #ukedchat (I should really get out

more!!!) ;-)

PivotalEllie 20:34 @jadeano #ukedchat Great. Love random name pickers.

cherrylkd 20:34

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat movie afternoon is a fab idea! Even the

seriously uncool ones would respond to that!

kanda_hh 20:34

How important is the Head in leading this? Is it effective if it's only

working / happening in some classes? #ukedchat

thedippyhippy 20:34

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Interesting question. I try and build self

confidence but I had never really thought about it being taught as such.

GeekPeter 20:34

RT @hancheetham: RT i think this is v. important @jodieworld #ukedchat

I actively tell my kids that I am a geek & love it. Helps a lot.


@tj007 Move them on... don't be limited. I put my top yr9s straight onto

GCSE course -excites them and keeps them wanting to learn #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:34RT @PivotalEllie: #ukedchat What do people do to encourageinvolvement and make participation cool

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ukedchat 20:34

RT @PivotalEllie: #ukedchat What do people do to encourage

involvement and make participation cool

LearningSpy 20:34

RT @BobToms100: #ukedchat Build the sharing of the 'positive' learning

experience into form group lessons for once/week coverage. Got to

change culture.

chrisleach78 20:34

#ukedchat I celebrate my geekiness - ICT room is full of Space Invaders

and retro tech - children love my pacman socks

BobToms100 20:34

#ukedchat If every child sees they can do at least 1 piece of good work &

sharing that w/others is rewarding experience, culture can change

a_p_martin 20:34

â€œ@LearningSpy: #ukedchat self esteem & confidence are crucial - we

HAVE to teach these things firstâ€ • BUT These have to be lived by scl

ethos

CreativeEdu 20:35

Do YOU like receiving public praise? Even if you don't think it's uncool

many grown adults find it embarrassing... #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:35

Do YOU like receiving public praise? Even if you don't think it's uncool

many grown adults find it embarrassing... #ukedchat


RT @hancheetham: @jodieworld #ukedchat I actively tell my kids that I

am a geek & love it. Helps a lot. <I do this too

mattbuxton10 20:35

If u listen 2 Gove u'd swear the only reason we want high achievement is

2 get a few OECD/PISA places higher; good message 4 kids? #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:35

#ukedchat how can you deal with children individually if you teach over

300 children in the space of one week?

LearningSpy 20:35

RT @NickHartSlough: #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower

intrinsic motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status of

achievement.

jodieworld 20:35

@GeekPeter @hancheetham #ukedchat Thanks it does seem to work

with them. I am very strict but they respect it as I am very honest with

them

PivotalEllie 20:35

@daveydoubleu #ukedchat Yes a range of subtle signals are very useful

for discreet praise


@LearningSpy Plus, is there really a difference between 'cool' and

'interesting/meaningful'? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:35

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat "We want them to love learning"

@educationchat The answer is simple - Make the curriculum FUN,


sonicwaffled 20:35

@teachitso Vivo Miles sounds insane to me.Children should want to learn

and be good and achieve for the sake of a love of learning #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:35

#ukedchat our Head of Science is fantastic at motivating kids to enjoy

science - he is a true geek :)

teachitso 20:35

Vivo Miles http://t.co/jprxzfL You decide: Valid but expensive reward

system or pernicious support for the hedonic treadmill? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:36

@jadeano #ukedchat Tombola theory! @pivotalpaul often talks about

this. The idea is that everyone loves a tombola - so you should have one

GeographyCarrie 20:36 @pivotalpaul Tell me more about this kangaroo court... #ukedchat

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jodieworld 20:36

#ukedchat I once saw a slogan of a poster at USA Sec Schools "Be nice to

the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE THIS!

GeekPeter 20:36

#ukedchat Ask them what praise they like, if they don't like it don't give

them any, see what happens!

Arakwai 20:36#ukedchat A slow process, but there seems to be a tipping point - onceyou get enough students competing to do well, that becomes the norm.

BenRogersOVA 20:36

RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat its about: valuing school & education. That

takes self esteem, a culture of work, family & peer support, praise,

supported failure

LearningSpy 20:36

@GeographyCarrie Er - depends on your point of view I guess - most 16 yr

old's ideas of cool are not mine! #ukedchat

iamsallymoore 20:36

@ChilledTeaching one of our teachers has money with his face on that

can be exchanged for various items of stationery... #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:36@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat what sort of staff achievements? Like theidea in theory but need more info please

chrisleach78 20:36

#ukedchat one of the reasons I like twitter is it validates things i do or

think - form of praise

ukedchat 20:36

@mikeatedji happy 1000th tweet Mike! though i think you've sent me

more than a 1000 DMs!

MisiesD 20:36 #ukedchat. Sorry, first ukedchat and keep forgetting #tag

victoriaellis 20:36

RT @tj007: @MrsPrentice11 I like being awarded something, but hated

going up in front of everyone else to collect it! #ukedchat <Me too!

markhodges 20:36

@ChilledTeaching good point. Also maturity levels etc. When was 15 I was

still arsing about, but most girls had made connection #ukedchat


Focus on boys for a moment - Is it all about their role models? Or lack of

them? #ukedchat see-> http://t.co/5SZfyxi


@joanne_rich although as they get older numbers doing those atcivities

decline don't they #ukedchat


RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat how can you deal with children individually

if you teach over 300 children in the space of one week?

hancheetham 20:36

Head is central as it's all about whole school ethos @kanda_hh "How

important is the Head in leading this?" #ukedchat

jadeano 20:36 @pivotalellie #ukedchat also bingo hand out tokens call out numbers

HelenCSimpson 20:36

#ukedchat this is much more like it, though harder to do if school culture

built on handing out stickers and stars!

EmathsUK 20:36

#ukedchat Just as an aside, the sheer fact that we are using the word

"cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)

chrisleach78 20:36

RT @ukedchat: Do YOU like receiving public praise? Even if you don't

think it's uncool many grown adults find it embarrassing... #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:37

@ukedchat #ukedchat To encourage involvement requires us to giverespect and our concentration,but not patronisingly, to every

contribution

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I'm hoping so! RT @markhodges: @dailydenouement parents love

positive phone calls in my experience. #ukedchat


@chrisleach78 #ukedchat make it a main priority early in the term to

know the students in your new classes. Use photos etc if needed.

LearningSpy 20:37 @cherrylkd Any! #ukedchat

MisiesD 20:37

@CreativeEdu I respond well to genuine praise, not unwarranted flattery.

Pupils also know the difference #ukedchat

madlizz 20:37

@BobToms100 I gave each child a certificate for something they were

good at @ end of term. 29 different reasons...they loved it! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:37

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Just as an aside, the sheer fact that we are

using the word "cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)

CreativeEdu 20:37


using the word "cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)

LearningSpy 20:37@victoriaellis Whereas I always want as much attention as possible!#ukedchat

DepJo 20:37

#ukedchat think about yourself.At what age did you stop caring what

other people thought.Some people it's 6, others 36!What changed for

you?

GeekPeter 20:37

@ukedchat I have, it varies - achievement points, phone calls home,

telling their form tutor, just knowing they've done something good...


@GeographyCarrie @tj007 #ukedchat I think movin them on depends on

the subject!I teach music & starting GSCE in yr9 wud hav opposite effect!

philallman1 20:37

Dissertation 20yrs ago research suggested kids respond to specific praise -

why what they have done is good/impressive #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:37

@teachitso I don't even know what this means but it sounds impressive!

#nicebutdim #ukedchat

tj007 20:37

@ukedchat Yes - my cheeks may go red, but I do now like public praise

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:37 @teachitso NOT in favour - work of the devil! #ukedchat

markhodges 20:37

@dailydenouement parents love positive phone calls in my experience.

#ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:37 @iamsallymoore oooo...kkkkkkkkkkkk....!!! :-s #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:37

and she has set up a good opportunity when she applies for uni/work in

the future 2/2 #ukedchat

owexelstein 20:37

#ukedchat http://t.co/EF8YT84 been teaching mindset to my class very

positive results

57mason 20:37

@Totallywired77 yes but there is a circle to be squared somewhere along

the road, an inevitable link with ass******ent #ukedchat

Right2_Learn 20:37

@jodieworld Exactly. Good idea. Why does praise have to be public?

Direct and immediate feedback has desired effect. #ukedchat


@LearningSpy Really? Most might if it means no work or effort.... I still

think too few see the point. #ukedchat

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55m1th 20:38

#ukedchat have asked for actual egs of wot should be praised - interesting

pieces of work presented. Lots wouldn't have received praise.

chrisleach78 20:38

#ukedchat and that this love of learning is throughout the school not just

for the 'boffs'


RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I once saw a slogan of a poster at USA Sec

Schools "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVETHIS!


@DepJo Ah, so we're all different, and we need to remember that about

our pupils #ukedchat

tj007 20:38

@MissAPatterson @GeographyCarrie and sometimes moving them on

can separate them from rest of class. Individual judgement calls.

#ukedchat

HelenCSimpson 20:38

RT @owexelstein: #ukedchat http://t.co/EF8YT84 been teaching mindset

to my class very positive results

PivotalEllie 20:38

@ukedchat #ukedchat Ha! I know, my 8 year old shouts at me when I use

the word 'cool' - " don't say cool say awesome, Mum"GeographyCarrie 20:38 @MissAPatterson Why? #ukedchat

owexelstein 20:38

#ukedchat when doing art 1 pupil said I can't do this, pupil next to him

said now are you being a fixed or growth mindset - result!

mikeatedji 20:38 @ukedchat #ukedchat Shhh

chrisleach78 20:38

#ukedchat The discussion is not just about praise but about developing a

love of learning

GeekPeter 20:38

@ukedchat I like getting praise from people I respect, anything else is just

false - "you're doing a good job" - how do they know!!

helenhamill 20:38

RT @mikeatedji: @ukedchat #ukedchat To encourage involvement

requires us to give respect and our concentration,but not patronisingly, to

every contribution

joanne_rich 20:38

@ConsultantHead #ukedchat They tend to decline but those that remain

tend not to be the academic high fliers



Schools "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE

THIS!

GeographyCarrie 20:38 @LutonNUT Yes, obviously!!! #ukedchat


#ukedchat Get cool role models to talk in school. We managed to get an

Olympic medal winner to come in, he was clearly v clever. Ch loved it

teachitso 20:38

RT @ukedchat @teachitso I don't even know what this means but it

sounds impressive! #nicebutdim #ukedchat Well it has been a long day

jodieworld 20:38

@Right2_Learn Totally agree with you. Praise is about the child not the

school so doesn't have to be public where not appropriate #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:38 @EmathsUK what word should we be using? #ukedchat sick?

Natty08 20:38

@CreativeEdu As an adult I hate praise etc. Feel uncomfortable with it

and quick to dismiss! #ukedchat

bradfordfox 20:38

RT @LearningSpy: Yes #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't wantchildren to learn cos there's something in it for them! We want them to

love learning!!!

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hancheetham 20:39

@MattFothergill that's the key "he was clearly v clever" you don't want to

just hear stories of focussing on olympics>school #ukedchat


@SheliBB @chrisleach78 #ukedchat there was never any chance of being

a boff. Cool was my only choice ;-)

Aubreii 20:39


Schools "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVETHIS!

Iseabel 20:39

â€œ@Swizzle43 Evidence that teachers largely to blame for illiteracy of

young people. http://t.co/GIn21o2â€

DepJo 20:39 @ChilledTeaching #ukedchat very true!

LearningSpy 20:39 @jodieworld I think Bill Gates said this! #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:39

#ukedchat children may like public praise, but how do they fell when it

always someone else and the same person at that?

cherrylkd 20:39

RT @chilledteaching: I've got the answer. Tell teens that if they don't do

well in school, we will publish on Facebook that they are doing really well!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:39

@MisiesD oh don't do that or none of us will hear your wisdom!

#ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:39 do single sex groups help? #ukedchat

sonicwaffled 20:39

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat I celebrate my geekiness - ICT room is full of

Space Invaders and retro tech - children love my pacman socks

HelenCSimpson 20:39 #ukedchat @DepJo knowing I might get low grades in an exam

BobToms100 20:39

#ukedchat Blogs & other online spaces showing pupil's work & controlled

by staff mean that chn can't remove thâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/XCW2YkU


@madlizz I bet that was harder with some than others! My student did

this once, and found a 'few' pupils really difficult! #ukedchat

iamsallymoore 20:39

I lead a celebration assembly for FS and KS1 and some chn hate coming

out to front so I go to them quietly... #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:39

@ukedchat #ukedchat We discussed in pshe. Most said they like public

praise, a few preferred private/written

ukedchat 20:39

RT @chilledteaching: Focus on boys for a moment - Is it all about their

role models? Or lack of them? #ukedchat see-> http://t.co/5hGteJu

CreativeEdu 20:39

RT @chilledteaching: Focus on boys for a moment - Is it all about their

role models? Or lack of them? #ukedchat see-> http://t.co/ceSztxM

EmathsUK 20:39 @ukedchat #ukedchat Oh that's soooo last year! haha

hancheetham 20:40


Schools "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE

THIS!

EmathsUK 20:40

@ConsultantHead #ukedchat Single sex schools = good for girls, mixed sex

= bad for boys, mixed schools with singel sex class = best for both

chrisleach78 20:40RT @BenRogersOVA: @ukedchat I'm sure learning to deal with praise isas important as learning to deal with failure. #ukedchat

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jadeano 20:40

#ukedchat I want to use twitter as a way of comms with yr 11. Can ask

questions and give praise would like to organise teach meet in school

elliejcox 20:40

RT @ukedchat: RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Just as an aside, the sheer

fact that we are using the word "cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)

CreativeEdu 20:40 RT @ConsultantHead: do single sex groups help? #ukedchatukedchat 20:40 RT @ConsultantHead: do single sex groups help? #ukedchat

tj007 20:40

RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat saw a slogan of a poster at USA Sec Schools

"Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE THIS!

BenRogersOVA 20:40

@ukedchat I'm sure learning to deal with praise is as important as

learning to deal with failure. #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:40

#ukedchat some find praise embarrassing cos they don't think it's

deserved and sometimes it isn't! We should praise often but accurately

Educationchat 20:40RT @MissAPatterson #ukedchat The answer is simple - Make thecurriculum FUN, ENGAGING, RELEVANT ! <--- Just this. Spot on.

18Consultancy 20:40

@CreativeEdu I do it all the time; helps yp to be reflective & thoughtful.

They constantly surprise us with their responses #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:40 @LearningSpy Early Years Foundation Stage #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:40

Just 20 mins left of #ukedchat - how can we improve the publics

perception of teachers?

CreativeEdu 20:40

Just 20 mins left of #ukedchat - how can we improve the publics

perception of teachers?

DebbieHolley1 20:40

RT @mattpearson: RT @chrisleach78: RT @ukedchat Join #ukedchat

tonight at 8 re changing pupil attitudes 'It's not cool to achieve in school'

(I'm hosting)

atko73 20:41

The teenage boy can be a selfish beast. Motivated by 'what's in it for me'

so needs to know what the med-long term benefits are. #ukedchat

sm_morris 20:41 @EmathsUK #ukedchat

altrudrama 20:41




ConsultantHead 20:41 .@EmathsUK so where's best to be cooler #ukedchat

MisiesD 20:41#ukedchat Have known some abused children who don't know how torespond to praise, can lash out, confused. Very sad.

KnikiDavies 20:41

#ukedchat what if the most popular/well liked children are also really

good academically - does that have an impact? (i think yes)

Educationchat 20:41

Praise is vital in encouraging and rewarding children but not as a reason

to learn. #ukedchat

Dan_Aldred 20:41

@chrisleach78: #ukedchat how many staff are praised? Is there a link

between the praise we recieve and the amount we give to students?

KiDu89 20:41@MattFothergill We did this with Olympic hopeful @Joey_Duck and kidsloved it. Thanks again for that Joey haha! #ukedchat

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springrose12 20:41

@chrisleach78 We need to bring more ed-tech into lessons. Teachers

should facilitate learning rather than do whole class teaching. #ukedchat

Aubreii 20:41

@jodieworld #ukedchat I do the same, the more you play on being a geek

the more they like it. I even include my geekiness in my lessons now

mattbuxton10 20:41

@cherrylkd Completing a leadership course/MA/outstanding lesson/promotion/night course/achieving new year resolution/anything!!

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:41

#ukedchat - my ICT room display for June - celebrating Geekiness -

http://t.co/gwKCo0k


@ukedchat I'm always happy to be publicly praised. But then I'm inwardly

confident I deserve it. #ukedchat


@BobToms100 That was one of the major factors of me developing my

own class blog last academic year. Parents loved the window #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:42 As Tony Blair nearly said: Relevance, Relevance, Relevance. #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:42

RT @18consultancy: do it all the time; helps yp to be reflective &

thoughtful. They constantly surprise us with their responses #ukedchat

tj007 20:42

RT @markhodges: @dailydenouement parents love positive phone calls

in my experience. #ukedchat <-- especially when not expected!

ePaceonline 20:42 #ukedchat only just joined in!


RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be

aided by active learning strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating

lessons that r relevant

chilledteaching 20:42 @reflectivemaths Well done on that comment ;-) #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:42

@tj007 #ukedchat Ah, but everyone wanted to participate I bet. That is

the joy of the tombola

joanne_rich 20:42 @KnikiDavies #ukedchat I agree

sonicwaffled 20:42

@hancheetham @ukedchat The Geek shall inherit the Earth! Who's got

more gold - Bill Gates or Michael Phelps? #ukedchat #geekchic @mc_lars

chrisleach78 20:42

#ukedchat - interesting question - as teachers do we suffer the same? Are

you motivated to achieve?


#ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be aided by active learning

strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating lessons that r relevant

jadeano 20:42

#ukedchat @KnikiDavies yes we use them as young leaders to inspire

others it works


By giving the public more of a chance to know them? #ukedchat Would

like to know more about my kids' teachers but at sec sch doesn't happen.

karenshancock 20:42#ukedchat Struggle to see how praise is the answer. The "sociable partyanimals" aren't going to work for anything we can offer. "WIIFM"

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mikeatedji 20:42


using the word "cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)>groovy

tj007 20:42

@PivotalEllie Have done a tombola before. Some prizes 'were worth it'

whereas others 'no thanks sir'. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:42 @Natty08 I love it though - notice me notice me #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:42@jadeano #ukedchat Our staff are strongly advised against use of socialnetworking sites and pupils.

ukedchat 20:42

@teachitso I should have tweeted that as me... @ukedchat is all powerful

and not dim at all.. I am the slightly thick alter ego ;-)

CreativeEdu 20:42

@teachitso I should have tweeted that as me... @ukedchat is all powerful

and not dim at all.. I am the slightly thick alter ego ;-)

EmathsUK 20:42

#ukedchat Boys happier to be praised in all male company. Not true of

girls

teachitso 20:42

My 16 yo: dont because it's effort and writing. If it's a good teacher no

problems. Look at Mr Jolly, 60 people chose his subject #ukedchat

Aubreii 20:42

@jodieworld #ukedchat had a similar parental experience, but I'd

coached the kids to answer 'the geek will inherit the earth' :D

tj007 20:43

@PivotalEllie yes, for that one but not the next one. Tried it over two

terms, two tombolas... Maybe I needed to change tactics... #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:43

RT @karenshancock: @chrisleach78 How are you motivated to achieve

would be a better question! #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:43

@chrisleach78 How are you motivated to achieve would be a better

question! #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:43

RT @ConsultantHead: . @Dan_Aldred i think you're dead right there - the

culture of praise should be clear right across the shcool #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:43 @chrisleach78 #ukedchat That's a killer question!

madlizz 20:43

@ChilledTeaching of course! They weren't all academic reasons.Boy with

v challenging behaviour was proud I'd seen his gym skills!#ukedchat


. @Dan_Aldred i think you're dead right there - the culture of praise

should be clear right across the shcool #ukedchat

sm_morris 20:43 @EmathsUK #ukedchat Agreed

EmathsUK 20:43 @mikeatedji #ukedchat That really is showing your age! haha

LearningSpy 20:43@breanainn Yes agreed - all judgements must be meaningful & respected#ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:43

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat - interesting question - as teachers do we

suffer the same? Are you motivated to achieve?

ukedchat 20:43

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat - interesting question - as teachers do we

suffer the same? Are you motivated to achieve?

kanda_hh 20:43 @chrisleach78 This is probably worse than no praise at all! #ukedchat

springrose12 20:44

@chrisleach78 Curriculum is prescribed 4 teachers&students. Students

aren't valued 4what they love but 4what they achieve in exams

#ukedchat


I try to go to school performances etc - love being able to praise my pupils

for skills/abilities outside my subject #ukedchat

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hancheetham 20:44

this looks great RT @chrisleach78 #ukedchat - my ICT room display for

June - celebrating Geekiness - bit.ly/p9ppmB

chrisleach78 20:44

RT @RossMannell: #ukedchat Are we looking at this from wrong

direction? How can we help the non-geeks so they don't feel need to put

down geeks to feel good?

ukedchat 20:44RT @knikidavies: @ukedchat #ukedchat We discussed in pshe. Most saidthey like public praise, a few preferred private/written

LearningSpy 20:44 @ConsultantHead they help girls but not boys #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:44

RT @knikidavies: @ukedchat #ukedchat We discussed in pshe. Most said

they like public praise, a few preferred private/written

ePaceonline 20:44

#ukedchat think it is essential that as teachers we are fair, approachable,

prepared to listen and stand up for ourselves when necessary.

RossMannell 20:44#ukedchat Are we looking at this from wrong direction? How can we helpthe non-geeks so they don't feel need to put down geeks to feel good?

GeekPeter 20:44 #ukedchat I notice Waterloo Road is trending but this isn't......

Educationchat 20:44 #ukedchat If any learning is not relevant then it's worthless.

mikeatedji 20:44 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat Last week's, shurely (Ed)

MisiesD 20:44

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat Many teachers could be less standoffish(?) with

parents, Parent-teacher relationship can spead to community.

CreativeEdu 20:44

I worked in a very tough school which introduced street dance - it was a

tipping point, everyone wanted to succeed at it #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:44

@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat that's a really good idea. I think we used to do

that but it's disappeared last few years. Will resurrect. Ta.

PivotalEllie 20:44 @atko73 #ukedchat Agree.

jadeano 20:44

#ukedchat @geekpeter we tweet as a school and encourage use of

phones and now iPads. Set up special twitter group they can be members

of


@elliejcox Yes we keep sayin cool, but at least no one has said "guys" v

uncool. #ukedchat

kath_brentford 20:45I knew one PS where assemblies called out teachers' birthdays as well asstudents. Students happy that teachers have birthdays too #ukedchat

markhodges 20:45

@KnikiDavies but must be a large number not just the same few.

#ukedchat


#ukedchat I speak personally, but I would say teachers are motivated to

achieve, teachers have that passion for learning and progression

karenshancock 20:45

@Educationchat If the qualification is necessary then can the content

being irrelevant be overlooked to some extent? #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:45hmmm sorry for the mistweet earlier! think I went back in time a week tothe discussion on teacher perception! #ukedchat

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G_for_Gemma 20:45

@tj007 #ukedchat I vary 'raffles' some classes need one a week, some

fortnight, some term

chrisleach78 20:45

#ukedchat great point made - How can we help the non-geeks so they

don't feel threatened by the 'boffs' in the class?

ukedchat 20:45


direction? How can we help the non-geeks so theâ€¦ (cont)

http://t.co/wkdYA2w

Aubreii 20:45

@jadeano @geekpeter #ukedchat isn't that wholly reliant on funding

though? I'd love to kit the school out with kindles, imagine the savings

mattbuxton10 20:45

Maybe one of the tasks on Big Brother could be to produce a critique of

market economics? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:45

Next week's #ukedchat is going to be a special on 'getting to know your

new class' hosted by @creativeedu http://ow.ly/66Ppl

CreativeEdu 20:45Next week's #ukedchat is going to be a special on 'getting to know yournew class' hosted by @creativeedu http://ow.ly/66Pj6

57mason 20:46

Praise what is worthy not just attainment based stuff, praise

individually,at app times, learn best styles of praise 4 ur learners

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:46




chrisleach78 20:46

RT @springrose12: @chrisleach Can I recommend this short film? RSA

Animate - Changing Education Paradigms http://t.co/bbo6Ui2 via

@youtube #ukedchat

Spongelab 20:46

Children in class don't need to hear praise all the time - but they need to

feel respected for their efforts #ukedchat

springrose12 20:46

@chrisleach Can I recommend this short film? RSA Animate - Changing

Education Paradigms http://t.co/bbo6Ui2 via @youtube #ukedchat

pauldavidmac 20:46

#ukedchat Ability to inspire, motivate & use range of activities is key to

student engagement. Shame exams make them sit still for 2 hrs!

LearningSpy 20:46 @ConsultantHead No - i think girls are coolest! :) #ukedchat

joanna78 20:46

@ukedchat I think public praise is motivating and makes u feel valued.

Similar I guess to the way it boosts pupils self esteem

hancheetham 20:46

RT @dailydenouement: I try to go to school performances etc - love being

able to praise my pupils for skills/abilities outside my subject #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:46

#ukedchat there was a great post by @kvnmcl about '20 Time' - allowing

children to work on a project of their choosing. trying to find it

GeekPeter 20:46

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Has a non-geek ever been threatened by a

geek? I can't imagine that!


. @LearningSpy @EmathsUK so does that mean boys can be cooler than

girls #ukedchat

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LearningSpy 20:46

#ukedchat Apparently self esteem & confidence is part of early years

education. Why is it not valued subsequently? We must address this


RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Apparently self esteem & confidence is part

of early years education. Why is it not valued subsequently? We must

address this

Right2_Learn 20:47

@tj007 @markhodges @dailydenouement Agreed. You can be sure

parents will reinforce praise to their children after the call. #ukedchat

jadeano 20:47

#ukedchat @aubreii @GeekPeter yes funding for a boys school 1500

great motivation worth every penny love technology uncool lesson now

cool!

EmathsUK 20:47

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Don't forget those non-geeks in your class are

THE geeks elsewhere. Maybe crap at maths, great at drama or PE or...

markhodges 20:47@tj007 and when most contact is not positive. Always catch them doingsomething good/ well. Raise their self esteem #ukedchat

sm_morris 20:47

@springrose12 #ukedchat There does seem to be an ever increasing gap

between curriculum/exam courses and students' lives

karenshancock 20:47

@GeekPeter @chrisleach78 Isn't that why they bully? They are

threatened by the "geek"s prowess. #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:47




LearningSpy 20:47

Me too RT #ukedchat I do the same, the more you play on being a geek

the more they like it. I even include my geekiness in my lessons now

KiDu89 20:47

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I speak personally, but I would say

teachers are motivated to achieve, teachers have that passion for

learning and progression

ePaceonline 20:47

#ukedchat @chrisleach78 on this point it is important that we value every

child in the class, everyone has a talent or strength.

atko73 20:47

Role models they can relate to -successful recent alumni-can be

invaluable as visitors, on any pretence....#ukedchat

GeographyCarrie 20:47@GeekPeter Sure, non-geeks def feel threatened by those overlyconfident geeks... and therefore never want to answer in class #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:47 @MissAPatterson #ukedchat Not all of them do! Its quite scary!


@GeekPeter hang on - i'm missing Waterloo Road? see yopu are later!!

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:48

RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be

aided by active learning strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating

lessons that r relevant

chrisleach78 20:48

#ukedchat any role-models of cool geeks? (I like to think I am one for my

pupils :) )

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ukedchat 20:48

RT @springrose12 #ukedchat There does seem to be an ever increasing

gap between curriculum/exam courses and students' lives

CreativeEdu 20:48

RT @springrose12 #ukedchat There does seem to be an ever increasing

gap between curriculum/exam courses and students' lives

Educationchat 20:48

@karenshancock But it's still relevant if qualification is needed for job/uni

etc. Might not be fun learning but is relevant! #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:48

# ukedchat being able to laugh at yourself and send yourself up makes

you more real!

atko73 20:48

...2 old boys in 1st year at uni came in to use class as focus gp for dev of

iPhone game. Class loved it; game now in app store. #ukedchat

MissAPatterson 20:48 @Spongelab Excellent point, well put #ukedchat


@sm_morris Geography is a definite exception - new curriculum very up-

to-date, relevant #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:48

#ukedchat Main thing I have taken from this so far is that teaching of

confidence & self esteem needs to be systematic

ConsultantHead 20:48 . @RossMannell are geeks and cool mutually exclusive? #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:48

#ukedchat All pupils of all abilities need to be successful in some kind of

learning, until then they won't see the value or be interested.

KnikiDavies 20:48

@markhodges #ukedchat I'm thinking of specific classes I've taught and

there is definitely an anecdotal correlation.

CreativeEdu 20:48

RT @RossMannell: #ukedchat How can we help the non-geeks so they

don't feel need to put down geeks to feel good?

ukedchat 20:48

RT @RossMannell: #ukedchat How can we help the non-geeks so they

don't feel need to put down geeks to feel good?

EmTeaches 20:49

@Rob_Sculthorpe Yes.It's vital we recognise that some chn need to feel

safe at school before they can think about it being 'cool'. #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:49 @chrisleach78 Cool geeks are only actually cool to geeks #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:49

RT @57mason: Praise what is worthy not just attainment based stuff,

praise individually,at app times, learn best styles of praise 4 ur learners

#ukedchat

karenshancock 20:49

@Educationchat Indeed, shame that many students expect learning to

always be "fun". #ukedchat

atko73 20:49

@LearningSpy How can it be systematically taught when it's so individual

and so rooted in family relationships outside school? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:49

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat, this is where we go wrong I think...we should

value all skills and talents, not just academic excellence.

mikeatedji 20:49

#ukedchat If you use learning partners, Geeks paired with non Geeks,

with intersting task, competitive edge, might they not work together?

ukedchat 20:49

RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat any role-models of cool geeks? (I like to

think I am one for my pupils :) ) <brian cox?

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CreativeEdu 20:49


think I am one for my pupils :) ) <brian cox?

ConsultantHead 20:49 @GeekPeter maybe not but they can always be hacked #ukedchat

jadeano 20:49

RT @atko73: ...2 old boys in 1st year at uni came in to use class as focus

gp for dev of iPhone game. Class loved it; game now in app store.

#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:49

RT @MisiesD: #ukedchat HMI once marked me down for not praising

enough during lesson. Children got praise they deserved. Shouldn't be

compulsory praise.

madlizz 20:49

@RossMannell it's about knowing each child, spotting their talents and

raising their profile within the class/peer group. #ukedchat

MisiesD 20:49

#ukedchat HMI once marked me down for not praising enough during

lesson. Children got praise they deserved. Shouldn't be compulsory

praise.

EmathsUK 20:49

#ukedchat Beware of trying to make school cool. The generation gap is

important. Look at disasterous attempts by CoE to go yoof and cool!



think I am one for my pupils :) )

victoriaellis 20:49

RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I once saw a poster at USA Sec School "Be

nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE THIS!

cherrylkd 20:50 @57mason #ukedchat very well put!


RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat guess we should be trying to avoid terms

such as 'cool' and 'geek' ?

ePaceonline 20:50 @philallman1 #ukedchat - yes, if you label praise it has extra meaning.


@KnikiDavies Absolutely. I taught a lovely, personable girl who was good

at everything. #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:50

I recommend this as well. - great ideas. â€œ@springrose12: @chrisleach

RSAChanging Education Paradigms http://t.co/97AAiaF via #ukedchatâ€


@MisiesD Yes,, the problems of having 'star of the week' when every

child *must* get it once #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:50Where children feel confident in themselves and have high ambitions fortheir future,they are usually happy to achieve& be praised #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:50

@atko73 Is it? I think you can teach Ss to be less afraid of failure

#ukedchat

GaryDavisa 20:50

gari #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic

motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... davisa

Ron_Richter 20:50

ron #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic

motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... ritcher

WilsonStant 20:50

wilson #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic

motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... stant

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CharlesHolly 20:50

charles #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic

motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... holly

chrisleach78 20:50

#ukedchat guess we should be trying to avoid terms such as 'cool' and

'geek' ?

mikeatedji 20:50RT @MisiesD: @CreativeEdu I respond well to genuine praise, notunwarranted flattery. Pupils also know the difference #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:50

#ukedchat re cool geeks.. am I the only person who finds Brian Cox

immensely irritating?! #ukedchat

victoriaellis 20:50

RT @MisiesD: @CreativeEdu I respond well to genuine praise, not

unwarranted flattery. Pupils also know the difference #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:50

@EmathsUK Yes abd remember William Hague's baseball cap? Shudder

#ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:51 @teachitso Can you post a link? #ukedchat please?

G_for_Gemma 20:51@CreativeEdu Nah I find him irritating too, unfort. Y10 love him!#ukedchat


RT @teachitso: Read Willingham's- Why Don't Students Like School?

(2009) "We follow people whom we respect and inspire us". Students do

the same. #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:51

@ukedchat @chrisleach78 #ukedchat oh yeah we love Brian Cox!

Although I did intercept an anonymous note saying "not coxy again" lol!

CreativeEdu 20:51


nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" <I want one!

ukedchat 20:51


nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" <I want one!

iamsallymoore 20:51

RT @WilsonStant: wilson #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise =

lower intrinsic motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to

status... stant

teachitso 20:51

Read Willingham's- Why Don't Students Like School? (2009) "We follow

people whom we respect and inspire us". Students do the same.

#ukedchat

MissAPatterson 20:51 @2011DJH Absolutely! #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:51

Maybe activities where 'geeks and non~geeks' work together would

enable them to share success. This works in primary anyway ;) #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:51

10 minutes to go in #ukedchat any final thoughts on how to generate love

of learning and therefore the feeling that it is a good to achieve

MsKateRyan 20:51

My day job, I'm not giving it up! #UKEdChat #HipHopEd HipHop with Ms

Ryan http://t.co/3OYDDXA

bluemoonjules 20:51 @CreativeEdu No, I can't stand him! #ukedchat

madlizz 20:51

@chrisleach78 professor brian cox? Top gear presenters? (They know

their stuff!) Sports presenters? #ukedchat

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markhodges 20:51

RT @KnikiDavies: Where children feel confident in themselves and have

high ambitions for their future,they are usually happy to achieve& be

praised #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:51

#ukedchat How do we make the students realise that post 16 "cool"ness

is no longer a factor that pays any real relevance in your life...

CreativeEdu 20:51

We've mainly discussed how praise is uncool rather than success itself - is

it the praise, the success or both that are uncool? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:51

We've mainly discussed how praise is uncool rather than success itself - is

it the praise, the success or both that are uncool? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:51

@KnikiDavies Yes - but the trick is in reaching Ss who don't feel like this

#ukedchat


@chrisleach78 WE can try and avoid these words, but the students will

always use them in some form or other... #ukedchat


RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat guess we should be trying to avoid terms

such as 'cool' and 'geek' ?

GeekPeter 20:51

#ukedchat We should get away from the word 'geek' and think of all

pupils as learners with potential to succeed!

KnikiDavies 20:52

#ukedchat Also based on small sample size - but I found many children

from eastern Europe have a very positive attitude towards learning


#ukedchat ...and teachers using the term "cool" can AT TIMES be slightly

embarrassing for everyone concerned

mattpearson 20:52

@chrisleach78 yes cool and geek are absolute labels, people are messier.

cool some days, geeky others...this needs acknowledged #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:52

#ukedchat, a class is made of 30 different pupils all learning same

material in different ways, finding out hoâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/I8SmbTa

chrisleach78 20:52

#ukedchat how do we instill in children the feeling that it is a positive to

succeed (how is success measured?)

coope83 20:52

@ukedchat @chrisleach78 I like to think of myself as a cool geek- but to

the pupils sadly, I'm not cool! Lol!!

CreativeEdu 20:52

@anhalf me too.. I hate praise when it's not actually meant / warranted.

#ukedchat


@GeekPeter I really dont think a teacher who is not motivated to learn

themselves is in the right profession! Role model! #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:52

@karenshancock I'd argue all learning should always be fun. Although

long division.... #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:52

Relevance a very loaded term in this context; not everything can be

relevant to every student in here & now, later in life though? #ukedchat

EmTeaches 20:52@chrisleach78 Role models must be relevant and aspirational to the chn,and able to talk positively about their own time at school #ukedchat

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mikeatedji 20:52

#ukedchat It's the mistaken belief that effort is uncool cos it's linked to

misconception being clever means getting things quickly

madlizz 20:52

@RossMannell easier in primary perhaps but not impossible in secondary

#ukedchat

sonicwaffled 20:52

@57mason I like praising for effort rather than just the end result

#ukedchat

Subjectsupport 20:52

@ukedchat there is a gender gap and maybe always has been and will

be.Is it unhealthy?Culture change will solve.Is it needed? #ukedchat

tj007 20:52

RT @Spongelab: Children in class don't need to hear praise all the time -

but they need to feel respected for their efforts #ukedchat


#ukedchat Surely students can be good and enjoy learning without being

a "geek".......

sonicwaffled 20:53 @GeekPeter @chrisleach78 Have you never seen Kick Ass?! ;) #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:53

@MissAPatterson #ukedchat Admit it though, you have them in your staff

room!

CreativeEdu 20:53


enough. Children got praise they deserved.Shouldn't be compulsory.

ukedchat 20:53


enough. Children got praise they deserved.Shouldn't be compulsory.

ePaceonline 20:53

RT @SheliBB: Promoting children's smart areas so that all children are

seen as an expert at something is also good #ukedchat easy in primary

sm_morris 20:53 @Educationchat #ukedchat Noooooo not long division.

hancheetham 20:53

@ukedchat i think it is fear of failure that fuels idea that 'success is

uncool' #ukedchat

atko73 20:53

@LearningSpy Agree with that, but there's surely more to conf & s-

esteem than managing failure? Creativity, initiative etc? #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:53

#ukedchat Teachers and adults want kids to succeed - some kids rebel so

see success as something adults want & something to rebel against.

57mason 20:53@sonicwaffled 100% agree I've had it up to here ( neck ) with attainmentbased praise #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:53

@CreativeEdu Children would LOVE Brian Cox as a teacher! But only to

giggle at his surname... #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:53

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat From early, we need to praise effort,

persistence, resilience - that stuff

LearningSpy 20:53 @mikeatedji Yes - absolutely #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:53

@Educationchat I'll give you "engaging", but I'd argue the point on "fun", I

think. #ukedchat

MsKateRyan 20:53

RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Beware of trying to make school cool. The

generation gap is important. Look at disasterous attempts by CoE to goyoof and cool!

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Dan_Aldred 20:53

@RossMannell: #ukedchat geek not all sci maths. One student raps in my

lesson. We are all impressed and i get to see what he understood!

mikeatedji 20:53

#ukedchat From early, we need to praise effort, persistence, resilience -

that stuff

LearningSpy 20:53@chrisleach78 OK -1. develop intrinsic motivation 2. avoid 'cool' in all itsforms & make praise relevant, meaningful & individual #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:53

Promoting children's smart areas so that all children are seen as an expert

at something is also good #ukedchat easy in primary

sonicwaffled 20:54

@ukedchat @MisiesD HMI would prob have marked you down for over

praising them too if you'd gone the other way *rolleyes* #ukedchat


@joanne_rich Totally agree. Children see teachers as TEACHERS - we're

on a completely different planet compared to them #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:54@madlizz top gear presentters may know their stuff - but thye're not cool#ukedchat

TheNewHead 20:54

@mattbuxton10:The motivators need to be intrinsic to each kid;external

factors only result in superficial motivation! #ukedchat Too true!

JOHNSAYERS 20:54

#ukedchat points to the fact kids like reward of having activities to do for

fun. Bullying poor behaviour due to nothing to do

mountainenergy 20:54

RT @richhicking: Make all our students are "teacher's pets"- catch them

all doing something right and show them their value #ukedchat

57mason 20:54

RT @CreativeEdu #ukedchat re cool geeks.. am I the only person who

finds Brian Cox immensely irritating?! #ukedchat No BUT on balance good

iamsallymoore 20:54

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat From early, we need to praise effort,

persistence, resilience - that stuff

chrisleach78 20:54

RT @joanne_rich: #ukedchat Son & friend, (both 15), now finding it

hilarious that teachers might think of themselves as 'cool' ;-)

HaudIgnota 20:54

@karenshancock Sense of coherense! Understanding WHY and WHATFOR

you are learning this-that-theother is key 2 be n stay motivated.

#ukedchat

jadeano 20:54

#ukedchat even talking about cool and uncool is a problem! Bang tidy and

shame is the way forward! LolLearningSpy 20:54 @atko73 Yes - but it's a first step to growth mindsets #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:54

RT @LearningSpy RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat From early, we need to

praise effort, persistence, resilience - that stuff <-- totally agree!

G_for_Gemma 20:54

RT @Educationchat: @CreativeEdu Children would LOVE Brian Cox as a

teacher! But only to giggle at his surname... #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:54 @teachitso Thanking you #ukedchat

joanne_rich 20:54

#ukedchat Son & friend, (both 15), now finding it hilarious that teachers

might think of themselves as 'cool'


@CreativeEdu it is a puzzle isn't it because not 'cool ' is avoiding standing

out, but cool people do stand out in some way #ukedchat

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teachitso 20:54 Willingham link on Amazon:http://t.co/6prXWbV #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:54 @Educationchat I was taught by a Mr Les Behan - I kid you not #ukedchat

jadeano 20:55

RT @LearningSpy: Innit RT @jadeano: #ukedchat even talking about cool

and uncool is a problem! Bang tidy and shame is the way forward! Lol

reflectivemaths 20:55@LearningSpy @missapatterson #ukedchat If they have a love of learningthen surely it doesn't need to be relevant

LearningSpy 20:55 @kath_brentford Can't argue with that #ukedchat


RT @joanne_rich: #ukedchat Son & friend, (both 15), now finding it

hilarious that teachers might think of themselves as 'cool'

GeekPeter 20:55

@joanne_rich #ukedchat And your subsequent reply of "teachers were 15

once you know!" hahaha

Educationchat 20:55

@karenshancock No difference in my book. But my book is an old

dictionary with pages missing. If something's engaging it's fun! #ukedchat


@atko73 @LearningSpy it's telling them that who they are is plenty good

enough and they don't need to fit in a box #ukedchat

chilledteaching 20:55 @CreativeEdu OK....I go back to my Facebook idea! #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:55

RT @ukedchat: 5 minutes to goÂ… time for your soapbox moment!

#ukedchat


#ukedchat Parents need educating on what's important so as not to undo

work in the classroom/school. Invite them in to see work on mindsets

chrisleach78 20:55

@joanne_rich so what do they think about achieving at school?

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:55

@Educationchat ha ha! you're so right! As a kid we had a teacher called

'BumClark' we found it hilarious #ukedchat (in fact, I still do!)

LawrenceBham 20:55 #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:55

Innit RT @jadeano: #ukedchat even talking about cool and uncool is a

problem! Bang tidy and shame is the way forward! Lol

ukedchat 20:55 5 minutes to goÂ… time for your soapbox moment! #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:55 5 minutes to goÂ… time for your soapbox moment! #ukedchat


@GeekPeter Absolutely right !!!!!! I secretly inside question 'WHY' they

are in the profession in the first place!! lol #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:55RT @Educationchat: @CreativeEdu Children would LOVE Brian Cox as ateacher! But only to giggle at his surname... #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:56

#ukedchat finding the talents and challenges of your class and treating

them all as individuals highly important.

GeekPeter 20:56

#ukedchat School has to be interesting and they have to experience

success for it to have any value, surely this is it in a nutshell?

chrisleach78 20:56

RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat There's no easy fix for this is there? It's all

about changing the culture of achieving in school, a very long process!

CreativeEdu 20:56RT @ConsultantHead: does anyone know who teenagers think are cool? ##ukedchat

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chrisleach78 20:56

If you have enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat i would really appreciate some

comments on --> http://t.co/TMRVQNy

57mason 20:56

RT @joanne_rich #ukedchat Son & friend, (both 15), now finding it

hilarious that teachers might think of themselves as 'cool'Lol(how trendy)

techieteacher 20:56RT @SENICT: Flo Longhorn recommended ipad apps: http://t.co/vraD5bw#sped #assistivetech #specialneeds #ukedchat #teachingall #edapp


#ukedchat There's no easy fix for this is there? It's all about changing the

culture of achieving in school, a very long process!

JOHNSAYERS 20:56

RT @victoriaellis: RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I once saw a poster at USA

Sec School "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I

LOVE THIS!

ConsultantHead 20:56 does anyone know who teenagers think are cool? # #ukedchat

karenshancock 20:56

@Educationchat Happy to rewrite my dictionary in that case. Not sure

that some of the Ss at my place see it that way. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:56

Stop using 'cool'? Cameron looked brap/wicked/joke/extra in front of that

mural this week?!? #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:56

â€œ@jadeano: #ukedchat even talking about cool and uncool is a

problem! Bang tidy and shame is the way forward! Lolâ€ • . Lol from me

too! :D

atko73 20:56

@LearningSpy agree-resilience a crucial factor for future success in

whatever a student chooses to pursue. #ukedchat

tj007 20:56

I've just checked the meaning of geek http://t.co/cYolfgh Intelligence and

Obsession. Help Ss obsess about their work! #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 20:56

RT @joanne_rich Totally agree. Children see teachers as TEACHERS -

we're on a completely different planet compared to them #ukedchat


We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on social media...saying

how well they are doing in school #ukedchat (only kiddin, really)

nancyrubin 20:57

RT @Spongelab: Teachers must use tech (FB, Twitter, online ed tech,

iDevices) that promote love of learning in a way that is innovative & cool

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:57RT @chrisleach78: If you have enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat i would reallyappreciate some comments on. Thankâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/jItBEDi


@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Thank you for tonight's chat. It has been great

to discuss and share with fellow educators. Thanks again!

CreativeEdu 20:57

RT @chilledteaching: We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on

social media...saying how well they are doing in school #ukedchat (only

kiddin, really)


@CreativeEdu We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on social

media...saying how well they are doing in school #ukedchatLearningSpy 20:57 @CreativeEdu Thank God for that #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:57 @ConsultantHead #ukedchat N'Dubz and Cheryl Cole haha!

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BobToms100 20:57

#ukedchat Being praised by peers is conducive to praising our learners (if

u feel good about yourself more likely to pass on praise to chn)

chrisleach78 20:57



#ukedchat

madlizz 20:57@ukedchat but think how you feel when the head forgets to say welldone for something you've slaved over! #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:57 @Totallywired77 who do your son and his friend think are cool #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:57 @ukedchat My first teacher was Mrs Sidebottom. True story.

chrisleach78 20:57

RT @Natty08: A bit late but I am sure that seeing how the press devalue

the exam results doesn't help motivate the need to work, it wouldn't me

#ukedchat

Spongelab 20:57

Teachers must use tech (FB, Twitter, online ed tech, iDevices) that

promote love of learning in a way that is innovative & cool #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:57

@reflectivemaths Irrelevant seems problematic though doesn't it

#ukedchat

Natty08 20:57

A bit late but I am sure that seeing how the press devalue the exam

results doesn't help motivate the need to work, it wouldn't me #ukedchat


@#ukedchat why does that mean you have no life experience. If you are

passionate about learning and the students. That is the priority.

CreativeEdu 20:57 @ChilledTeaching I missed that... what was the facebook idea? #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:57

RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat School has to be interesting and they have to

experience success for it to have any value, surely this is it in a nutshell?

EmathsUK 20:57

@Educationchat @karenshancock #ukedchat Sometimes learning is dull,

hard, frustrating, annoying... and this is proper and important

GeographyCarrie 20:57 @SheliBB Haha, funny. Thanks for that! :) #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:58

@chrisleach78 Yes - well done - a good topic & deftly moderated

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:58


about changing the culture of achieving in school

CreativeEdu 20:58


about changing the culture of achieving in school

iamsallymoore 20:58 School has to be sick! #ukedchat

BobToms100 20:58

#ukedchat SLT need to be more aware of good practice & thus share it &

praise it. Also Ts need to make them more aware of it - ground up!

EmathsUK 20:58 @LawrenceBham #ukedchat Hear! Hear!

reflectivemaths 20:58 @camhitachi You welcome to use 'cool role models' comment #ukedchat

MsKateRyan 20:58@ConsultantHead Do you really think there can possibly be a genericanswer to that? #ukedchat

mattharding007 20:59 @iamsallymoore And wicked. #ukedchat

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madlizz 20:59

@MisiesD maybe, but think how you feel when the head forgets to say

well done for something you've slaved over! Same with chn. #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:59 @GeekPeter dappy!! lol isn't cheryl cole too old? #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:59

#ukedchat Dr Who is portrayed as a cool geek. Think so anyway and ch

love him

chrisleach78 20:59 @joanne_rich do they have any thoughts about a solution ? :) #ukedchat

markhodges 20:59


about changing the culture of achieving in school, a very long process!

GeekPeter 20:59

Blimey I've acquired quite a number of new followers from tonight!

#ukedchat

jodieworld 20:59

@chrisleach78 Thanks for a great #ukedchat - a tricky topic and an

interesting one!

BobToms100 20:59#ukedchat & this's already been said on oth occasions - get moreTeachmeets in school as part of this process & not just external locations

LearningSpy 20:59 @reflectivemaths Maybe 'interesting' would be a better word? #ukedchat

kath_brentford 20:59 Thank you all, it's been a really interesting #ukedchat tonight

jadeano 20:59



#ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:59

Woah, doesnt time fly - just finishing off tonight's #ukedchat Thank you

everyone for all your comments :)

G_for_Gemma 20:59

Thanks #ukedchat despite being late picked up a few ideas. Food for

thought tho, are we hamstrung by school ethos, how much can we do

alone

camhitachi 21:00

@reflectivemaths thanks - looking for 100 reasons for businesses to work

with schools (and vice versa) for a blog piece #ukedchat #csr


@GeekPeter: "Blimey I've acquired quite a number of new followers from

tonight! #ukedchatâ€ • perfect example of geeks achieving ;^)

chrisleach78 21:00

RT @ukedchat: 9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great

#ukedchat and to you all for taking part

LearningSpy 21:00@Natty08 most of my students seem blithely unaware of the press#ukedchat

ukedchat 21:00

9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great #ukedchat and to you

all for taking part

iamsallymoore 21:00 RT @mattharding007: @iamsallymoore And wicked. #ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:00

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat looks like it's been another full debate. Thanks

and look forward to archive

janeyk419 21:00 #ukedchat Geeks defined http://t.co/H4ODNGC

reflectivemaths 21:00 @LearningSpy Pure Maths = Irrelevant #ukedchat

CreativeEdu 21:00

9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great #ukedchat and to you

all for taking part

DrDav 21:00

@EmathsUK Absolutely, but that does make the 'fun' ang 'engaging'

harder #ukedchat

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Dan_Aldred 21:00

@chrisleach78: #ukedchat on the labelling of students. very scientific.

Darwin did this many years ago. Maybe we need to arrange everything

G_for_Gemma 21:00 @chrisleach78 thanks! #ukedchat

ICTmagic 21:00

Final thought - I wasn't cool as a child and I'm sure not going to start now!

:) #ukedchat

atko73 21:00Pleased to find this-interesting & thought provoking stuff. Thank you.#ukedchat

karenshancock 21:00

That was a quick 60 minutes. I enjoyed that. I'll be back again. Thank

you. #ukedchat

jadeano 21:00

â€œ@iamsallymoore: School has to be sick! #ukedchatâ€ • not anymore,

they're bear tidy!


@MsKateRyan no but it might point us in the right direction my son thinks

a top skater guy is cool becasue he's into skateboarding #ukedchat

MissAPatterson 21:01@reflectivemaths @LearningSpy Surely being relevant always matters,linking it to contemporary society is always a positive #ukedchat

cherrylkd 21:01

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Well done ! told you you'd be fab. Thank you,

I've got new ideas for sept now.

chrisleach78 21:01

#ukedchat Thank you all - thoroughly enjoyed my first time as Host of

#ukedchat - might be persuaded to do it again :)


@chrisleach78: "Woah, doesnt time fly - just finishing off tonight's

#ukedchat Thank you everyone for all your comments :)â€ • > good work

mate

mikeatedji 21:01 #ukedchat Thank you @chrisleach78


@madlizz @MisiesD think everyone could do with being praised more,

whatever their age #ukedchat

MisiesD 21:01

#ukedchat Think primary and secondary must be very different as far as

praise is concerned. Night all.

EmathsUK 21:01 @ukedchat @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Good stuff! Thanks all!

mattbuxton10 21:01

@geekpeter A lot of Rappers/Hip Hop stars etc are v intelligent, their stuff

is insightful etc but isn't what kids admire them 4! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 21:01

@reflectivemaths Only in a real world context - surely relevant within

subject. And if not relevant, at least interesting? #ukedchat

ukedchat 21:01keep an eye on the blog http://ow.ly/66R1v for the #ukedchat summarywhich host @chris_1974 will be completing soon.

CreativeEdu 21:01

keep an eye on the blog http://ow.ly/66QZX for the #ukedchat summary

which host @chris_1974 will be completing soon.

Arakwai 21:01

#ukedchat If sch'ls give opps's for students to achieve in variety of areas

(sport, drama) this helps celebrating success @ schl become OK.

hancheetham 21:01

@chrisleach78 v. interesting chat tonight on motivating students at

#ukedchat thankyou all

teachitso 21:01 TorchWood is a lesson in being cool #ukedchat

Right2_Learn 21:01

RT @camhitachi: @kath_brentford @Right2_Learn Case study athttp://t.co/KkxwRZl - evidence 4 positive power of business mentors, by

@geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat

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CreativeEdu 21:02

Next week's #ukedchat is ideas for getting to know your new class - share

them here in the meantime: http://ow.ly/66R46

ukedchat 21:02

Next week's #ukedchat is ideas for getting to know your new class - share

them here in the meantime: http://ow.ly/66R6s

madlizz 21:02

@chrisleach78 first 1 I've done - normally @ netball! It was interesting!

Almost want 2 get back to school & be positive! Almost! #ukedchat

jadeano 21:02

Really enjoyed #ukedchat tonight. Thanks all and @rossmcgill goal

achieved twitter skills developed!

ConsultantHead 21:02 @chrisleach78 thanks Chris another good session #ukedchat #ukedchat


#ukedchat Looking forward to rerading the archive of this chat. I missed

loads.

BobToms100 21:02

#ukedchat @jodieworld Which is why we must keep our confidence up &

in so doing, keep the profile of the profâ€¦ (cont) http://t.co/hB3PuX5

LawrenceBham 21:02 #ukedchatMattFothergill 21:03 #ukedchat @chrisleach78 Thanks Chris. Great topic.

normal_for_jp 21:03 @cherrylkd http://t.co/gH3wQJl #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 21:03 .@MissAPatterson and you cn't say fairer than that. #ukedchat

Educationchat 21:03

@EmathsUK @karenshancock Yes but if it's relevant and started with as

much fun as possible, children will more likely keep going. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 21:03

@ConsultantHead Nope - adored by 16 yr old boys and my 7 year old

daughter alike #ukedchat

tj007 21:03

Thank you all - certainly has me thinking about which strategies to employ

and which ones will work best with different yr groups. #ukedchat

Arakwai 21:03 Wow, busy and interesting #ukedchat tonight - thanks to all for ideas.


#ukedchat At the risk of ruining our work towards good, educated role

models: celebrity big brother is on now

MattFothergill 21:04 #ukedchat Big Brother awaits. #guiltypleasure

cherrylkd 21:04 @normal_for_jp #ukedchat Thank you! Cute pic !

springrose12 21:04

Thanks 4 mentions and RT's.. @chrisleach78 @a_p_martin @ukedchat

@CreativeEdu @sm_morris @ChilledTeaching @SheliBB @GeekPeter

madlizz 21:04@kath_brentford @MisiesD agreed! Hope I didn't upset anyone with mycomment! #ukedchat

chrisleach78 21:05

RT @reflectivemaths: #ukedchat At the risk of ruining our work towards

good, educated role models: celebrity big brother is on now

ukedchat 21:05

The archive will start at 9.15pm so get any final points in before then

#ukedchat

CreativeEdu 21:05

The archive will start at 9.15pm so get any final points in before then

#ukedchat

madlizz 21:05 @ConsultantHead lol! They would disagree! :-) #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:06

@springrose12 @chrisleach78 @a_p_martin @ukedchat @creativeedu

@sm_morris @chilledteaching @geekpeter most welcome!

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joanne_rich 21:06

#ukedchat @chrisleach78 Really interesting tonight & managed to engage

teens despite their initial resistance that it was sad & embarassing

husslington 21:06

RT @Dunfordjames: #ukedchat why not try #hiphoped if you teach kids

into #hiphopculture? Have a look at @husslington 's excellent video for

more info.

chrisleach78 21:07@joanne_rich say thank you to them - their opinion is probably the mostimportant of all #ukedchat

LearningSpy 21:07

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Do you feel motivated by all the praise? Did it

seems relevant & meaningful? Hope so. Good job

Annoula64 21:08

RT @apuustin: RT @briankotts: OECD Study: A noisy classroom can be a

good thing http://t.co/obDLQFN #edchat #ukedchat #finnedchat #eduswe

So true !

victoryoak 21:08

RT @BenRogersOVA: @ePaceonline I agree. Really knowing the kids is

first priority. Primary schools do this so well. #ukedchat

victoriaellis 21:08 Enjoyed my first #ukedchat - lots to think about :)

BenRogersOVA 21:08@ePaceonline I agree. Really knowing the kids is first priority. Primaryschools do this so well. #ukedchat

hancheetham 21:09

@KiDu89 this is a real danger. it is non-academic and at times anti-

intellectual celebs that are role models. we need a balance #ukedchat

joanne_rich 21:09

@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Will do but Their attention has waned already -

Celebrity Big Brother's come on!!!

Annoula64 21:09

RT @alma_taawo: RT @stefan_palsson: RT @briankotts: OECD Study: A

noisy classroom can be a good thing http://t.co/0ncSozS #edchat

#ukedchat #eduswe

chopork 21:10



#ukedchat

ulrikajonson 21:11

RT @alma_taawo: RT @stefan_palsson: RT @briankotts: OECD Study: A

noisy classroom can be a good thing http://t.co/0ncSozS #edchat

#ukedchat #eduswe

stefras 21:12

@chrisleach78 Most students like to see the results/benefits of their

work. #measuresuccessbyperceptionofusefulness #ukedchat

getcarter66 21:12

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Apparently self esteem & confidence is part

of early years education. Why is it not valued subsequently? We must

address this

mikeatedji 21:12

@mattbuxton10 totally agree with your links point... Making connections

is good sign of deep learning and cognitive shift I think #ukedchat

ukedchat 21:12

Fab #ukedchat - thanks @chrisleach78 great hosting skills. We'll all look

forward to reading the summary on the blog http://ow.ly/66RCh