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What is Independent Learning?

Host - @JamesMichie

username time status

jamesmichie 19:55

If ur joining in with #ukedchat don't forget to include the hashtag. :-

)

janeconsidine 19:55

Independence is fostered when pupils are empowered to make

proactive decisions, organise themselves & execute their plans

#ukedchat #choice

MrWickensPE 19:55 beer in hand, ideas roaring to go...let get ready for #ukedchat

i2eEducation 19:55

RT @ukedchat: Just enough time to grab a cuppa and do your

#ukedchat pre-reading before we get going at 8pm:

http://t.co/lBM3Zp43

TyncanLtd 19:55

@billgibbon not tuning in to #UKedchat or are you mobile! Khans is

great wish I was there, still in the office. Enjoy!

jamesmichie 19:55

#ukedchat begins in a few mins. Topic: Independent Learning.

Opening question: "What is Independent Learning?"

daShcoaching 19:56

RT @passionateaboot: "Success builds character but it's failure thatreveals it." - The Times today - are you reading educators

#ukedchat http://t.co/W0KwFQso

KV80 19:56 Just got through M6 traffic in time for #ukedchat!

Ideas_Factory 19:56

RT @jamesmichie: If ur joining in with #ukedchat don't forget to

include the hashtag. :-)

dailydenouement 19:57

What is independent earning in your subject/phase/context? What

does it look like? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 19:58

Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. Beginning with "What is

Independent Learning?"

BrightAire 19:58 Now what do I do? Only kidding! #ukedchat


Learning. Not earning! RT @dailydenouement: What is independent

earning in your subject/phase/context? What does it look like?

#ukedchat

janeconsidine 19:59

Real pupil choice needs to be timetabled into the school year e.g.

pupil choice weeks so they can genuinely design their learning

#ukedchat

Rblteach 19:59

a colleague said today..'my students think I'm their wet

nurse!'!#ukedchat

daShcoaching 19:59 @jamesmichie #ukedchat thinking for yourself

KV80 19:59

not being spoon fed but being given the skills to find answers for

themselves #ukedchat


RT @Romaaddict: Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any

discussion of independance in learning? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 19:59

RT @Romaaddict: Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any

discussion of independance in learning? #ukedchat


RT @Andy__Stokes: Independent learning in practice:pupils

engaged, questioning and in an enquiry, with minimal teacher

input? #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 19:59

Independent learning in practice:pupils engaged, questioning and in

an enquiry, with minimal teacher input? #ukedchat

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Host - @JamesMichie

mjowchs 19:59

#ukedchat Independent learning is being given a task and following

it, independently, to come to your own conclusion, seeking help if

needed

Romaaddict 19:59

Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any discussion of independance

in learning? #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 19:59 I use 4 key questions that all my students know... #ukedchat

nancyrubin 19:59

RT @jamesmichie: Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. Beginning

with "What is Independent Learning?"

ukedchat 20:00

It's 8pm! Welcome to this evening's #ukedchat - your host is

@jamesmichie and the topic is independent learning


Ah yes, 'spoon-feeding' *hangs head guiltily RT @KV80: not being

spoon fed but being given skills to find answers for themselves

#ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:00

#ukedchat Independant learning is an open-ended question, a

thunk, an investigation and a problem with no right or wrong

answer .

jamesmichie 20:00

@Rblteach That's the problem. Too much babying - spoon feeding

#ukedchat

Spongelab 20:00

Health expert urges ban on shaking hands to prevent spread of flu

http://t.co/GOl79YXk #edtech #edchat #lrnchat #scichat #ukedchat

nancyrubin 20:00

RT @jamesmichie: Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning

that is self-directed. #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:00 8pm - Time for #ukedchat with @JamesMichie

jamesmichie 20:00

RT @Rblteach: a colleague said today..'my students think I'm their

wet nurse!'!#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:00

Independent learning is the drive & ability (devt. appropriate) to

direct ones own learning #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:00

Four key questions with subject specific terms that students can use

in the lesson @dailydenouement #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:00

Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning that is self-

directed. #ukedchat

MattFothergill 20:01

Independent learning is knowing what you're learning and

knowing/finding out what you need to do to get there #ukedchat

EclipseLeaders 20:01

For true independent learning to take place pupils must be

empowered to be leaders within the school. The Eclipse scheme

does this #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:01

Independent learning is certainly hampered by taking decisions out

of the hands of students #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:01 Want to watch #ukedchat this evening? Try http://t.co/7NgLyrxZ

KV80 20:01

RT @MrWickensPE: the ideal Independent learning lesson: the

teacher guides, but does not interfere! #ukedchat

mrprcollins 20:01I've recently had 2 of my Year 11s ask for more challenges to be seton @mangahigh for them to do at home #ukedchat

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jamesmichie 20:01

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to start

with pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real

problems.

Romaaddict 20:01

After all, look at us saddos: we're here - learning because we

choose to do so! Yes to more timetabled choice and self direction

#ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:01the ideal Independent learning lesson: the teacher guides, but doesnot interfere! #ukedchat


RT @MissPollockBlog: 'Brain, book, buddy, boss' just one strategy

to encourage a little independence in class http://t.co/diSg5530

#ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:01

#ukedchat Independent learning has to start with pupil choice.

Learners finding and defining their own real problems.

MissPollockBlog 20:01

'Brain, book, buddy, boss' just one strategy to encourage a little

independence in class http://t.co/diSg5530 #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:01#ukedchat@Rblteach too often the case we need to develop themworking for themselves

ICTwitz 20:02

At what age do you start the 'Independent Learning' process? Do

pupils need teaching the skills? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:02 Is independent learning a skill that needs to be taught? #ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:02

I like to see students exploring and carrying out tasks with minimal

instruction whilst spoon feeding those who struggle #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:02

#ukedchat Independant learning is the best opportunity an

educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids work it out for

themselves

philallman1 20:02

'Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don't know what to

do' Da Costa #ukedchat

KV80 20:02

Independent learning is also about knowing your strengths and

weaknesses and how to improve #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:02

#ukedchat independant learning, quote on the radio the othet

morning, you have to dig the well before you can drink the water

jamesmichie 20:02

@MrWickensPE Is that Independent Learning or Personalised

Learning? Does there need to be a teacher? #ukedchat

eed_net 20:02

Learners can cultivate independence. By the same token they need

to learn the reciprocal skills of interdependence! #ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:02

@dailydenouement yep to much spoon feeding - I give the whole

lesson on a wiki so some can get on #ukedchat

CoreyLeeKilloug 20:03

RT @briankotts: Chewing gum helps Swedish students learn

http://t.co/jTu0GKYl /via @TheLocalSweden #edchat #ukedchat


Could you elaborate? RT @mserridge: #ukedchat AfL is the key to

allow pupils to work independently in lessons

jamesmichie 20:03

RT @ukedchat: Our first job is to define independent learning...

what do we mean by it? #ukedchat

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Kathrynwiki 20:03

@ICTwitz I tutor my 9 year old son and he does a lot of

independant learning - he is operating at a 7 year old level

#ukedchat

torquay7 20:03

RT @TeacherToolkit: Some detail on #personalisedLearning by

@NSCL #ukedchat http://t.co/PP0J19XB

KV80 20:03for some unfortunately yes but not all RT @dailydenouement: Isindependent learning a skill that needs to be taught? #ukedchat

mserridge 20:03

#ukedchat AfL is the key to allow pupils to work independently in

lessons

oliverquinlan 20:03

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Independant learning is the best

opportunity an educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids

work it out for themselves

taffwatts 20:03

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Independant learning is the best

opportunity an educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids

work it out for themselves

Andy__Stokes 20:03

Does the structure of the curriculum not limit the potential for

independent learning, and encourage testing by number #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:03

@philallman1 #ukedchat only asking for teacher help if you're really

stuck or a neighbour can help

jamesmichie 20:03

RT @dailydenouement: Is independent learning a skill that needs to

be taught? #ukedchat

theokk 20:03

@jamesmichie @oliverquinlan my question would be - how wide is

that choice? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:03

Our first job is to define independent learning... what do we mean

by it? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:04

#ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding and allow students

to fail

TyncanLtd 20:04 Sugata Mitra! Nuff said! http://t.co/FtZFiYsV #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:04

RT @BrightAire: Think ynger children tend already to be indep

learners. The habit gets "knocked out" of them as they "progress"

through school #ukedchat

mbrayford 20:04

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to start

with pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real

problems.

mjowchs 20:04

#ukedchat does having an objective or outcome on the board at

the start define the end therfore remove independance ?

jamesmichie 20:04

RT @Andy__Stokes: Does the structure of the curriculum not limit

the potential for independent learning, and encourage testing by

number #ukedchat


Love that! Good point sir! RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat

@dailydenouement Perhaps it just needs to be allowed, not taught.

jamesmichie 20:04

@MrWickensPE I guess that could depend at what stage of learning

they are at #ukedchat

helenhamill 20:04

@dailydenouement #ukedchat yes to ASD child who generally hasprocessing and independent problems as part of cognitive ability

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BrightAire 20:04

Think ynger children tend already to be indep learners. The habit

gets "knocked out" of them as they "progress" through school

#ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:04

@Andy__Stokes I think the curriculum often stifles independent

learning #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:04

Indpendent Learning - what role does the teacher have to play?

http://t.co/9G7kzCPT #ukedchat

dukkhaboy 20:04

is independent learning just a modern phrase for projects?

#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:04

@theokk That's a good question. That perhaps is one of the

constraints. #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:04

#ukedchat @dailydenouement Perhaps it just needs to be allowed,

not taught.

philallman1 20:04

@Andy__Stokes completely which is why as educators we have a

responsibility to expand learning not narrow it #ukedchat

maz_blaze90 20:05@LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat teachers need to be allowedto LET students fail

oliverquinlan 20:05

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It has to be 'real' pupil choice tho-

too many in edu give pupils the illusion of choice. -well said

jamesmichie 20:05

RT @B_Sharpie: @janeconsidine and being allowed to fail!

#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:05

@philallman1 agreed Phil the challenge therefore is how to do it

with our hands tied or perhaps not? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:05

@BrightAire Very good point. Children come to school as Ind

Learners, and then teachers make them conform! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05 @LearningSpy can you expand on this? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:05

@BrightAire Is this because of the pressure of getting them through

tests? #ukedchat


RT @helenhamill: @dailydenouement #ukedchat yes to ASD child

who generally has processing and independent problems as part of

cognitive ability profile

i2eEducation 20:05

Teaching independent learning is essential for employability.

Independence is key skill for employers when hiring young people

#ukedchat

kennypieper 20:05

#ukedchat do we not need to start by teaching kids HOW to learn

and what learning means?

jamesmichie 20:05

#ukedchat Do kids know what they want to learn? Is that a

prerequisite?

futurebehaviour 20:05 Stop teaching, start facilitating learning. #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding

and allow students to fail

theokk 20:05

#ukedchat a la carte, MWay services or hunt and gather?

#ukedchat

daShcoaching 20:05 Give pupils AND teachers coaching & mentoring skills #ukedchat

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#ukedchat RT @MissPollockBlog:I think so, it's taken me 25 years to

learn how to learn independently!Skills and motivation should be a

must.

philallman1 20:05

@mjowchs depends on the nature of the objective - closed or open

#ukedchat

B_Sharpie 20:05 @janeconsidine and being allowed to fail! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to startwith pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real

problems.

MrWickensPE 20:05

Ideally No! But can students learn in a quality environment with

some guidance? @jamesmichie #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:05

@oliverquinlan #ukedchat It has to be 'real' pupil choice tho-too

many in edu give pupils the illusion of choice.

MissKMcCulloch 20:05

#ukedchat how do people balance the demands of exams against

pupil-driven learning? I worry about pace

Biolady99 20:05 learner-led #ukedchat

nancyrubin 20:05RT @ukedchat: "Indpendent Learning - what role does the teacherhave to play?" http://t.co/xXVpcD0S #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05

Once we're happy with our definition of I.L. we'll be exploring

constraints, and ways around them #ukedchat

sharland 20:05

#ukedchat at the moment I am working on the basis that personal

reflection on learning through blogging is key to independent

learning

Laura_Suths 20:06

#ukedchat doesn't independent learning depend on the quality of

questioning from pupils & teacher alike? How do we ask the right

questions?

LearningSpy 20:06

@mjowchs Fair point but we need to find opportunities for them to

fail safely #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:06 @MissKMcCulloch Is that effective learning though? #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:06

RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Do kids know what they want to

learn? Is that a prerequisite? - how do we know? So few educators

actually ask

Ideas_Factory 20:06

#ukedchat We have to give students in Independant Learning the

conditions to feel comfortable to make mistakes.2 much focus on

perfection


RT @i2eEducation: Teaching independent learning is essential for

employability. Independence is key skill for employers when hiring

young people #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:06

In order to save valuable tweet real estate I'm going to suggest that

from here on in we can refer to Independent Learning as IL

#ukedchat

toppsines 20:06 QUICK how do I follow #ukedchat?

ecarsontc 20:06

@MrWickensPE #ukedchat those r the aim 4 all my ICT lessons. Gr8

4 encouraging creativity and self / peer support

day_tom 20:06@ICTwitz #ukedchat Don't teachers need to be taught first - it is acomfort zone. Most are 'safe' talking to students, risk free teaching

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B_Sharpie 20:06

@janeconsidine ..and having the confidence to be able to fail!

#ukedchat #choice


#ukedchat in answer to my own question, those who struggle to

keep pace will learn at least as much as they would with me

lecturing!


RT @BrightAire: Certainly think that a "spirit of adventure" in

learning is sometimes constrained by framing explicit objs at startof session #ukedchat


RT @danpotheteacher: @ukedchat equiping pupils with basic skills

to solve problems, find relevant information, recognise and meet

their own needs #ukedchat

philallman1 20:06

@Andy__Stokes I refuse to allow the rope around my wrists ;)

#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:06

Certainly think that a "spirit of adventure" in learning is sometimes

constrained by framing explicit objs at start of session #ukedchat

danpotheteacher 20:06

@ukedchat equiping pupils with basic skills to solve problems, findrelevant information, recognise and meet their own needs

#ukedchat

mjowchs 20:06

@LearningSpy #ukedchat and how will that affect your

departments residuals ?

Kathrynwiki 20:06

@sharland I agree personal reflection can be key to independent

learning #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:06

Do you think failure is an important part of indpendent learning?

Why / why not? #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:06

'Students successfully taking responsibility for their learning'

@ukedchat #ukedchat

Ange_K1 20:07



daShcoaching 20:07

RT @futurebehaviour Stop teaching, start facilitating learning.

#ukedchat


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jamesmichie 20:07

RT @ICTwitz: @day_tom Completely agree. Should be part of

teacher training! #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:07

@day_tom Completely agree. Should be part of teacher training!

#ukedchat

helenhamill 20:07

@LearningSpy #ukedchat in aspergers pupil it need be taught step

by step...gradually teaching independence! non-neurotypical

learner!

cherrylkd 20:07

@mjowchs #ukedchat with AfL in place ch knows their next steps &

how to get there, fosters independent learning.

jamesmichie 20:07

RT @oliverquinlan: RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Do kids know

what they want to learn? Is that a prerequisite? - how do we know?

So few educators actually ask


RT @Laura_Suths: #ukedchat doesn't independent learning depend

on the quality of questioning from pupils & teacher alike? How do

we ask the right questions?


Had lesson obs this week which was all independent learning. Best

one in a while. I felt I was making myself redundant though!#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:08 There's little space in my context to allow failure. #ukedchat


Had lesson obs this week which was all independent learning. Best

one in a while. I felt I was making myself redundant though!

#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:08 There's little space in my context to allow failure. #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:08

#Ukedchat too much scaffolding removes independence and makes

them needy

mrpeel 20:08

#Ukedchat too much scaffolding removes independence and makes

them needy

LearningSpy 20:08

@mjowchs not good for residuals or Ss to fail final exm. I believe all

students can succeed but not without experiencing failure

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:08

@mjowchs not good for residuals or Ss to fail final exm. I believe all

students can succeed but not without experiencing failure

#ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:08

#ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are not a good

independent learner. Children need models.

oliverquinlan 20:08

#ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are not a good

independent learner. Children need models.

KerriDrama 20:08

Students leading learning, exploring for themselves, teacher

stepping back, taking more risk & taking role of a facilitator.

#ukedchat

KerriDrama 20:08

Students leading learning, exploring for themselves, teacher

stepping back, taking more risk & taking role of a facilitator.

#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:08

@philallman1 glad to hear it unfortunately the same cannot be said

for all in education, systemic changes could help the cause

#ukedchat

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Andy__Stokes 20:08

@philallman1 glad to hear it unfortunately the same cannot be said

for all in education, systemic changes could help the cause

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:08 @KV80 ...and then they go to school, and it goes #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:08

@toppsines #ukedchat - a guide: http://t.co/UvGy6qCx


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LawrenceBham 20:09

#Ukedchat pupils need to be equipped with the tools not only to

get them through education but also successfully in the workplace!

SheliBB 20:09

@ukedchat making mistakes is an important part of learning. Don't

think of it as 'failure' think of it as learning processes #ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:09Pupils taking ownership of their targets - partnering with teacher#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:09 RT @gsussex: #ukedchat children taking the lead in their learning

Romaaddict 20:09

#ukedchat Definition: Self motivated, self-reliant,values learning for

the joy of learning, adaptable, exploratory?


@dailydenouement hopeful that Curriculum for excellence in

scotland might eventually achieve this #ukedchat


@dailydenouement hopeful that Curriculum for excellence in

scotland might eventually achieve this #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:09

#ukedchat I've been calling it Pupil choice/pupil voice for years-you

ask what pupils what to learn ,ACTUALLY listen & act on it.

Ideas_Factory 20:09

#ukedchat I've been calling it Pupil choice/pupil voice for years-you

ask what pupils what to learn ,ACTUALLY listen & act on it.

jamesmichie 20:09

@theokk Nicely put, how can we help them to see the summits?

#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:09

@theokk Nicely put, how can we help them to see the summits?

#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:10

@daShcoaching Stop teaching?? Its a mixture of teaching & guiding

thats required; spotting opportunities 2 do both 4 understanding

#ukedchat

ShaunGosney 20:10

RT @oliverquinlan: RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this

week... making myself redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of

guilt & teachers proving their worth

Stanalang 20:10 @LawrenceBham #ukedchat Totally agree - skills for life

Andy__Stokes 20:10

@KerriDrama and there lies the problem; The role of the teacher

and our collective willingness to take risks #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:10 @Kathrynwiki Isn't that scandelous #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:10

RT @maz_blaze90: @LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat teachers

need to be allowed to LET students fail < 100% its the teacher being

brave enough

MrCursonTweets 20:10

#ukedchat are independent learners shackled by the use of levels.

Does knowing where they are and what they need to do limit

creativity?

mserridge 20:10

@cherrylkd: @mjowchs #ukedchat with AfL in place ch knows

their next steps & how to get there, fosters independent IL. and

peer/self ass

theokk 20:10

@jamesmichie tell them of the adventure and fun to be had, sense

of achievement #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:10

If you've just joined #ukedchat the topic is Independent Learning

(IL) & @jamesmichie is hosting

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ICTwitz 20:10

@MissKMcCulloch I BET at the age of 6 or 7, which happens to be in

Year 2, when pupils are subject to testing! #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:10

RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this week... making myself

redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of guilt & teachers proving

their worth

LearningSpy 20:10#ukedchat Teaching Ss about Dweck's mindsets has had anenormous impact on Ss's willingness to fail better

DepJo 20:10

#ukedchat Independent learning requires adequate resourcing.. ICT

and other resources need to be in enough quantity & up to date to

allow it

ICTwitz 20:11

@Kathrynwiki Exactly. I wish more parents had that philosophy!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:11

Please remember to include #ukedchat in your tweets to make sure

that everyone sees them!

oliverquinlan 20:11

RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does an

independent learner need? #ukedchat- isn't that already takingaway their choice?

mattpearson 20:11

independent learners need to be tenacious, and not frightened to

fail.. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:11

RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And

it's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,

livelihood 2nd #ukedchat

Laura_Suths 20:11

@ICTwiz often it is stifled by teacher fear of exam results. We must

be allowed to foster IL & trust in it. #Ukedchat

skoorBttaM 20:11

RT @oliverquinlan: RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this

week... making myself redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of

guilt & teachers proving their worth

Rblteach 20:11

To encourage pupil independence-staff need the confidence to be

flexible too #ukedchat


RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And

it's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,


KV80 20:11 @ICTwitz so sad but true! #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:11

RT @theokk: @jamesmichie tell them of the adventure and fun to

be had, sense of achievement #ukedchat

theokk 20:11

@jamesmichie agree, look who's learning bagpipes at 70

#ukedchat http://t.co/h6zOwS1S

maz_blaze90 20:11

@MrWickensPE @LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat some of us

CAN'T let students fail - targets...

BrightAire 20:11

Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And it's not just about

the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st, livelihood 2nd #ukedchat

mrprcollins 20:11

Independent Learning = student's becoming responsible for their

own learning #ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:11

@ICTwitz Very - considering not having him in school for them. I've

already told them they are meaningless #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:11

RT @toppsines: @ukedchat IL teachers are the

facilitators.#ukedchat

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i2eEducation 20:11

RT @LawrenceBham: #Ukedchat pupils need to be equipped with

the tools not only to get them through education but also

successfully in the workplace!

ICTwitz 20:11

@KV80 Yes, until they reach 6 or 7, when they are suddenly

subjected to testing!!! #ukedchat

Brendano 20:11

@ukedchat #ukedchat closing today: register for

http://t.co/ErgMzupZ could ur studnts make a 60second video in 2week$?

jamesmichie 20:11

Okay, what skills and attributes does an independent learner need?

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:11

@toppsines thanks for joining in - if you type #ukedchat then all

your tweets will be seen by everyone - I'll retweet your tweet too

oliverquinlan 20:11

@MrWickensPE @jamesmichie #ukedchat yikes- is t engraving on

their minds the antithesis of independence?

doglaunchers 20:12

#ukedchat Relevance key 2 independence - eg writing/debating

competitions, blogs, wikis, Skills 4 Work courses, elective shortcourses, etc.

ShaunGosney 20:12

@jamesmichie i call it 3D - Discipline, desire, determination!

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:12

@maz_blaze90 That's defeatist! Find ways for them to fail so that

they succeed later. #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:12

#ukedchat IL students taking responsibility ????? good god perish

the thought : )

LawrenceBham 20:12 #Ukedchat

ukedchat 20:12

RT @mrprcollins: Independent Learning = student's becoming

responsible for their own learning #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:12

Main attribute is active curiosity. Then age approp. research skills &

synthesis #ukedchat


@mjowchs I don't think so, having an aim/goal is important for any

learning, While they are learning independence skills #ukedchat

TyncanLtd 20:12

@KV80 @ICTwitz Example: Schools not allow students to catch a

bus to another learning centre because of HSE promotes

dependence! #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:12

@Laura_Suths We live in a sad, fear culture at the moment in many

area, and this is one such case #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:12

RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does an

independent learner need? #ukedchat

mbrayford 20:12

RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, and

not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat


Very true. We are too grades/levels based.RT @mattpearson:

independent learners need to be tenacious, and not frightened to

fail.. #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:12

hard work to implement at the start though...again, its just the

teacher needing to be brave! @ecarsontc #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:13RT @Laura_Suths: #Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developinggood IL skills. Have we got any resources to share?

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jamesmichie 20:13

RT @Laura_Suths: #Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developing

good IL skills. Have we got any resources to share?

Andy__Stokes 20:13

My daughters observation as a year 2 ITT: In primary pupils learn

(Independently, in secondary they get work to do #ukedchat

Rblteach 20:13@mattpearson agreed-how students respond to failure is a cruciallife lesson #ukedchat

philallman1 20:13

If you engender IL then personalised learning is what happens all

the time! #ukedchat

vickystrat1989 20:13

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are

not a good independent learner. Children need models.

Biolady99 20:13 self-motivation to learn and progress more #ukedchat

KV80 20:13

RT @Kathrynwiki: curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how

rewarding it it to learn is key #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:13RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, andnot frightened to fail.. #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:13

RT @mbrayford: RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to

be tenacious, and not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat

Laura_Suths 20:13

#Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developing good IL skills. Have

we got any resources to share?

jamesmichie 20:13

RT @ShaunGosney: @jamesmichie i call it 3D - Discipline, desire,

determination! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:13

@daShcoaching All very well, except direct instruction is the most

effective way for students to learn new knowledge #ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:13

curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how rewarding it it to

learn is key #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:13

#ukedchat it CAN be done-I once got an outstanding obs from

OFSTED & it was a S&L jigsawing/envoy-I hardly spoke!All came

from kids!

KV80 20:13

ILs need to be confident, not fearful of failing and enquiring

#ukedchat (amongst other things)

jamesmichie 20:13

RT @MissPollockBlog: @mjowchs I don't think so, having an

aim/goal is important for any learning, While they are learning

independence skills #ukedchat

UKCHAZ 20:13

#ukedchat I would suggest that IL is really about getting schools to

think in a different way about #narrowingthegap. Best outcomes for

ALL

DepJo 20:13

#ukedchat What do you think is the difference between

independent learning and personalised learning?

jamesmichie 20:13 RT @LawrenceBham: #Ukedchat

graingered 20:13

If it is to be, it's up to we...Every class we teach is a new opportunity

to embrace now http://t.co/r0OmLRGC #edchat #cpchat #ukedchat

E4FE 20:13

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to startwith pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real

problems.

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lankyflamingo 20:13

#ukedchat all kids are indep learners when they want to learn

something. Got to create the hunger first then show them how.

MrWickensPE 20:14

If they get to GCSE and can't work independently; is that too late?

We need to get them early....KS2/3 @maz_blaze90 #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:14

@essentialshaz #ukedchat It does take a lot of perseverance-kidshave to be coached,build up confidence,understand that mistakes r

ok

Starshine_Music 20:14 #ukedchat @lankyflamingo too true


ukedchat 20:14

RT @philallman1: If you engender IL then personalised learning is

what happens all the time! #ukedchat

lankyflamingo 20:14

RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent

learners is make sure they enjoy their education....

dailydenouement 20:14RT @Nic5Harrison: Independent learners must be motivated, risktakers, curious, questioning #ukedchat

TyncanLtd 20:14

@KV80 also to be told that to get the "wrong" answer is Ok when

you learn from it #ukedchat

maz_blaze90 20:14

@LearningSpy #ukedchat clearly still stuck in heads of sci meeting

where feeling was 'if they going to fail, don't let them do it'....

ICTwitz 20:14

@DepJo I think there is more emphsis on the teacher to personalise

the curriculum #ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:14

Independent learners must be motivated, risk takers, curious,

questioning #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:14

Is being able to give and take constructive criticism an important

part of IL? #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:14

@DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever meant anything. All

learning is personal, somebody can't learn something for you :0

#ukedchat

sharland 20:14

@Kathrynwiki #ukedchat exactly - I am getting pupils to write what

they did, what they learnt and how to improve for next time

BrightAire 20:14

RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, and

not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat

MissPollockBlog 20:14 @ukedchat "mistakes part of mastery" #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:14

#ukedchat Teachers are scared- of not proving their worth and

expertise- of not achieving the grades. If it is important we need to

be brave

ikeontoast 20:14

#ukedchat - i think best way to get independent learners is make

sure they enjoy their education....

KipLeeds 20:14

RT @MattFothergill: Independent learning is knowing what you're

learning and knowing/finding out what you need to do to get there

#ukedchat


RT @Andy__Stokes: My daughters observation as a yr 2 ITT: In

primary pupils learn (Independently, in secondary they get work todo #ukedchat

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mrpeel 20:14

#Ukedchat @mbrayford agree fear is at root- too much pressure to

hit target removes wish to expand

jamesmichie 20:14

RT @Kathrynwiki: curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how

rewarding it it to learn is key #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:14

@jamesmitchie - agree "honesty". The humility to accept that

there's a lot to learn. #ukedchat

taffwatts 20:14

RT @lankyflamingo: #ukedchat all kids are indep learners whenthey want to learn something. Got to create the hunger first then

show them how.

gsussex 20:15

#ukedchat curiosity, perseverance/resilience, good thinking skills,

ability to work independently, open to taking risks, creative


RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat This is my favourite film clip for

motivating students to learn independently: http://t.co/lMswRyvj

mrprcollins 20:15RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you arenot a good independent learner. Children need models.

ukedchat 20:15

If anyone has any useful links to share please post them. They'll be

included in the summary #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:15

RT @MissPollockBlog: @ukedchat "mistakes part of mastery"

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:15

#ukedchat This is my favourite film clip for motivating students to

learn independently: http://t.co/lMswRyvj

Biolady99 20:15

yes as you can progress but the constructive criticism should be

beneficial with clear pointers not just criticism #ukedchat

EllenHodgkinson 20:15

@vickystrat1989 yes - teacher modelling and scaffolding learners

are two key ways of developing ILs #ukedchat


RT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat is the NC and constant use of

Levels, APP and targets helping or hindering IL? Should we be free

to remove some of the barriers

jamesmichie 20:15

RT @sharland: @Kathrynwiki #ukedchat exactly - I am getting pupils

to write what they did, what they learnt and how to improve for

next time

RizzWL 20:15 @jamesmichie #ukedchat reflection... Self evaluation is key!


#ukedchat is the NC and constant use of Levels, APP and targets

helping or hindering IL? Should we be free to remove some of the

barriers

naomilynas 20:15

Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing resilience comes 1st.

#ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:15

@ICTwitz @DepJo #ukedchat surely that is rubbish. It is impossible

to personalize for 30- they have to do the work independently.

maz_blaze90 20:15

@LearningSpy #ukedchat all for failing in a 'safe' environment and

getting kids to learn for themselves. too many don't know how to!

jamesmichie 20:15

@MissKMcCulloch Ah I see... should teacher be aloud one?

#ukedchat

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KV80 20:15

@Starshine_Music yes agree - it needs to be ok to be wrong and a

learning opportunity #ukedchat


@Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on when we get frustrated

at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:15

RT @RizzWL: @ukedchat yes as the old saying goes ... U learn from

your mistakes #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:15#ukedchat personalized ? learning what they want in theirpreferred style ?

jamesmichie 20:16

RT @MissKMcCulloch: @Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on

when we get frustrated at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:16

As a first time independent learner this all seems to be happening

too fast! Any tips on how to slow things down? #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:16

RT @mattpearson: @DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever

meant anything. All learning is personal, somebody can't learn

something for you :0 #ukedchat

stevenmaxson 20:16

RT @ukedchat: Do you think failure is an important part of

indpendent learning? Why / why not? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:16 @oliverquinlan So what would you advise Oliver?#ukedchat

Graham_Cowan 20:16

If independant learners don't know what they don't know how will

they know what they need to know? #ukedchat

i2eEducation 20:16



naomilynas 20:16

We need to teach IL skills but pressure for results means we spoon

feed knowledge. Therefore stop spoonfeeding! #ukedchat

stevenmaxson 20:16




@oliverquinlan #ukedchat good teacher needs to be resilient,

determined to make a difference, thoughtful and good collaborator

&communicator

ICTwitz 20:16 @oliverquinlan @DepJo #ukedchat Rubbish indeed!

Laura_Suths 20:16

#ukedchat I use this TED http://t.co/O6l5XQdm and then upload

suggested challenges to VLE as enrichment IL

amooreict 20:16 #ukedchat independent learners need to be motivated researchers


RT @mattpearson: @DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever

meant anything. All learning is personal, somebody can't learn

something for you :0 #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:16

RT @naomilynas: Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing

resilience comes 1st. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:16

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Teachers are scared- of not proving

their worth and expertise- of not achieving the grades. If it is

important we need to be brave

UKCHAZ 20:16

Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical wheelturns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No

motivation=no learning

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Ideas_Factory 20:16

#ukedchat IL is not having an answer-or starting with an answer

and not having a question!

jamesmichie 20:16



BrightAire 20:16

Learning must have intrinsic reward, give value for learners, be

celebrated for its own sake. Not just for its workplace relevance#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:16

@Laura_Suths Questioning vital; right question at right time 2 right

kid is magic secret of good teaching! Lead qs 2 understanding

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:16

@maz_blaze90 This is a recipe for failue as they MUST be

independent in exams #ukedchat

philallman1 20:17

Always answer a question with a question - keep them thinking!

#ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:17

RT @helenhamill: @Nic5Harrison in asperger's children like

averything else they think laterally and need to be taught method+processes repeatedly #ukedchat

mrprcollins 20:17

my way of encouraging my students to set their own targets and

reflect on their learning http://t.co/8HygPyox #ukedchat

skoorBttaM 20:17

RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I

now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:17

RT @oliverquinlan: @ICTwitz @DepJo #ukedchat surely that is

rubbish. It is impossible to personalize for 30- they have to do the

work independently.

Peter_Hook 20:17

Is true independent learning possible within a Gov prescribed

curriculum? #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:17 1) 'Knowing where I am going' - L.O etc #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:17

It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I now know 1000

ways that don't work. #ukedchat

SOLUS_ED 20:17

@Laura_Suths #Ukedchat There are two extremes of edu. to avoid.

One is assuming that [exams] is a sure cure for ignorance &

mediocrity. Ford

KV80 20:17

RT @helenhamill: @Nic5Harrison in asperger's children like

averything else they think laterally and need to be taught method+

processes repeatedly #ukedchat

ShaunGosney 20:17

RT @Nic5Harrison: @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way

to get independent learners is make sure they enjoy their

education.... SO AGREE


RT @daShcoaching: RT @futurebehaviour Stop teaching, start

facilitating learning. #ukedchat


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mattpearson 20:17

@Graham_Cowan you could always get Donald Rumsfeld to tell

them :-) #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:17

RT @amooreict: #ukedchat independent learners need to be

motivated researchers


mrpeel 20:17 #Ukedchat @dailydenouement that's the IB learner profile!

Nic5Harrison 20:17

@ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent

learners is make sure they enjoy their education.... SO AGREE

jamesmichie 20:18

RT @MrWickensPE: 1) 'Knowing where I am going' - L.O etc

#ukedchat

ikeontoast 20:18

@Nic5Harrison followed.. >>>if ur happy, ur more keen, more keen,

more likely to be independent and find stuff out for urself

#ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:18 4) 'Knowing I am going in the right direction' #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:18RT @naomilynas: #ukedchat Totally agree that communication isthe key. Also, ability to self-manage and work with others.

mbrayford 20:18

Like the idea of starting with an answer. Doing that in maths more

as mental starters #ukedchat

DepJo 20:18

@ICTwitz True.. Teacher led personalisation and pupil led

personalisation #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:18

@lankyflamingo #ukedchat that's true. Give them a new mobile

phone and watch the independent learning occur. No fear of failure

there!

Ideas_Factory 20:18

RT @MissKMcCulloch: @Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on

when we get frustrated at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:18

#ukedchat Can I put out there the possibility that personalization is

a meaningless buzzword that never meant anything anyway.

stevenmaxson 20:18

@KerriDrama This is what we do everyday. My students have no

fixed timetable, and are in control of their own learning. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:18

RT @philallman1: Always answer a question with a question - keep

them thinking! #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:18

@DepJo of course, the personalised learning thing just became a

band waggon and slogan but few could explain it #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:18

children learn independently through mantle of the expert

approach because the teacher is a learner (expert) alongside them

#ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:18 3) 'Knowing how to get myself unstuck' #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:18

Fostering a relationship to pupils mistakes that is judgment free

might encourage independent learning #ukedchat

daShcoaching 20:18

@ukedchat pretty similar to employability ones - self-starting,

positive, solving problems, questioning, listening, reflecting

#ukedchat

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janeconsidine 20:18

@B_Sharpie Agreed! Failure is important part of life long learning.

'Dare to share' a talk strategy to push risk taking in ideas #ukedchat

janeconsidine 20:18

@B_Sharpie Agreed! Failure is important part of life long learning.

'Dare to share' a talk strategy to push risk taking in ideas #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:18I think tenacity & resilience key: some of my pupils give up v easily.Don't like to try. #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:18

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are

not a good independent learner. Children need models.

maz_blaze90 20:18

#ukedchat need to start IL from reception...ditch the testing, take

away cramming and let kids love learning again

jamesmichie 20:18 @oliverquinlan Teacher who are scared. #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:18

2) 'Knowing how I am going to get there' - Learning outcomes etc.

#ukedchat

cristinataboada 20:18

RT @philallman1: If you engender IL then personalised learning is

what happens all the time! #ukedchat

KV80 20:18

love it! RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000

times. I now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:18



mjowchs 20:18

#ukedchat independant learning T's are facilitators guiding and

mentoring the learning toward the goal

ukedchat 20:18

@toppsines don't forget to include #ukedchat or only I will see your

tweets! I'm loving them but I'm sure everyone else would too!

Kathrynwiki 20:18 brilliant #ukedchat happing right now - independent learning

toppsines 20:18

@Graham_Cowan #ukedchat yes agree that's why we need to do

quality facilitating.

DepJo 20:18

@mattpearson true but big believer all gd teaching is personalised;

good teachers adapt q's,techniques etc. IL is v personalised!

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:19 @ukedchat or even a Gove prescribed curriculum... #ukedchat


KerriDrama 20:19



oliverquinlan 20:19

RT @BrightAire: @oliverquinlan - agree. It's easy to crumble and go

spoon feedy in the face of "lack of progress". IL skill takes time.

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:19

With MoE when a child asks me a question, I rarely know the

answer, but ask them how they think *they* can find it #ukedchat

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Romaaddict 20:19

#ukedchat IL involves allowing self to fail in recognition that this

often progresses learning. Too often edu is about passing!


#ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: The qu I hate from the pupils: "is

this on the exam?" "No, so why are we doing it?"

ThatIanGilbert 20:19

@LearningSpy #ukedchat Agree! 10 out of 10 consistently with the

same student is not good enough

mattbuxton10 20:19

I rarely answer a question, I almost always respond with a question

back 2 kids 2 try and lead them to own created understanding

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:19

@oliverquinlan you can put the possibility out there and I would

agree completely with it...twas a slogan, no pedagogy attached

#ukedchat


#ukedchat good teacher should create lessons from the lessons the

children teach them.Plan with the chn's ideas&experiences in mind

LearningSpy 20:19

RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. Andit's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,


KerriDrama 20:19

Independent learners need to be self motivated, creative, engaged

and reflective #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:19

RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Can I put out there the possibility

that personalization is a meaningless buzzword that never meant

anything anyway.

ukedchat 20:19

RT @Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning possible within a

Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:19

RT @jamesmichie: RT @philallman1: Always answer a question

with a question - keep them thinking! #ukedchat - simple but so

effective!

HilaryNunns 20:19

Learning is hard. Allow students to acknowledge this. More

appreciation of success, however small #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:19

RT @MrWickensPE: 2) 'Knowing how I am going to get there' -

Learning outcomes etc. #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:19

#ukedchat I would join in but I can never see students becoming

independent learners, they have to be spoonfed for the league

tables....

BrightAire 20:19

@oliverquinlan - agree. It's easy to crumble and go spoon feedy in

the face of "lack of progress". IL skill takes time. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:19

Resilience! RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does

an independent learner need? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:20

DON'T FORGET THE #ukedchat!!! please.. lots of lovely tweets are

getting lost...

oliverquinlan 20:20

: #ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: "is this on the exam?" "No, so

why are we doing it?" -- if they chose it it would have relevance.

SheliBB 20:20

@MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FS and KS1. Not

so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchatalso in MoEclass

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LearningSpy 20:20

@ThatIanGilbert Hard for us to do when we're being judged on

results. Spoonfeeding is product of fear #ukedchat


Good point! RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote

independent learning by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:20

RT @SheliBB: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FSand KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good habits?

#ukedchat agree

ikeontoast 20:20

#ukedchat even with prescribed curric you can still think of amazing

ideas to enthuse learners...

alexgingell 20:20

RT @oliverquinlan: RT @jamesmichie: RT @philallman1: Always

answer a question with a question - keep them thinking! #ukedchat -

simple but so effective!

futurebehaviour 20:20

We could all promote independent learning by just shutting up a bit

more. #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:20

#Ukedchat @naomilynas agreed need to stop spoon feed caused by

too many targets and too much external intrusion

UKCHAZ 20:20

@Nic5Harrison I agree with you on these Nic. Is it the pedagogy of

#schooling that needs to shift? #ukedchat

sharland 20:20

RT @Nic5Harrison: Pupils taking ownership of their targets -

partnering with teacher #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:20


so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchat

agree

koutropoulos 20:20

RT @jamesmichie: Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning

that is self-directed. #ukedchat

elliejcox 20:20



Biolady99 20:20

RT @ukedchat: RT @naomilynas: #ukedchat Totally agree that

communication is the key. Also, ability to self-manage and work

with others.

alexgingell 20:20

@Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning possible within a

Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat >>or indeed any

curriculum?

mjowchs 20:20

#ukedchat what are the skills that the Students need to become

independent ?

WilsonStant 20:20

wilson Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical

wheel turns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No...

stant

stevenmaxson 20:20



CharlesHolly 20:20

charles Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical


holly

DepJo 20:20

@oliverquinlan #ukedchat Nooo! All good teaching is personalised!You know each child's target areas.. You adapt yr questioning,

support etc

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Ron_Richter 20:20

ron Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical


ritcher

oliverquinlan 20:20

RT @mattpearson: @oliverquinlan you can put the possibility out

there and I would agree completely with it...twas a slogan, no

pedagogy attached #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:20

RT @SheliBB: #ukedchat independent learners need to be able tomake decisions (hard!), collaborate and communicate well with

others

_imaginaryme 20:20

Couldn't agree more RT @Nic5Harrison "Independent learners must

be motivated, risk takers, curious, questioning" #ukedchat


#ukedchat wondering about the perception of other teachers - do

some think IL is so you can get on with paperwork?

jamesmichie 20:21

RT @MissPollockBlog: Ownership - pupils take pride of things that

they own rather than renting learning from the teacher (Kelly,2003) independence? #ukedchat

sharland 20:21

RT @Andy__Stokes: Fostering a relationship to pupils mistakes that

is judgment free might encourage independent learning #ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:21 Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote IL #ukedchat


RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: The qu I

hate from the pupils: "is this on the exam?" "No, so why are we

doing it?"

jodieworld 20:21

Once saw pres on Ind Thinking- asking qs such as "What colour is

Tuesday" to stop kids trying to guess what's in the teachers head

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:21

@ukedchat if you are using the web, then use tweetchat.com this

adds the tag for you, so you can't forget #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:21

RT @ukedchat: DON'T FORGET THE #ukedchat!!! please.. lots of

lovely tweets are getting lost...

lauwailap1 20:21

Time is important, we tend to rush + expect too much too soon.

Give them time to explore a skill/topic and ind learning will come

#ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:21

it's not about implementing all, every lesson. But one or two each

lesson to ensure students are working independently #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:21

#ukedchat if we leave a question/task on the board and point to a

few base resources and leave the room will learning take place ?

sharland 20:21

RT @dailydenouement: I think tenacity & resilience key: some of

my pupils give up v easily. Don't like to try. #ukedchat

MissKMcCulloch 20:21RT @HilaryNunns: Learning is hard. Allow students to acknowledgethis. More appreciation of success, however small #ukedchat

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ukedchat 20:21

Already 20 mins into our #ukedchat on Independent Learning (IL)

with @jamesmichie. great discussion so far

ikeontoast 20:21

#ukedchat can we just clarify that we are GROWING independent

learners not expecting them TO BE independent already

ShaunGosney 20:21

RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat even with prescribed curric you can still

think of amazing ideas to enthuse learners...

oliverquinlan 20:21

RT @alexgingell: @Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning

possible within a Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat >>or

indeed any curriculum?

jamesmichie 20:21

RT @dailydenouement: Good point! RT @futurebehaviour: We

could all promote independent learning by just shutting up a bit

more. #ukedchat

Rblteach 20:21

Business leaders sat they need employees who are self-motivated

and resourceful-IL bridge to future needs #ukedchat

SurrealAnarchy 20:21

@jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does anindependent learner need? #ukedchat: Easy, THE TRIVIUM WILL

PROVIDE

BrightAire 20:21

Unfort. we've created a culture where learning is only valued for its

employability value. Outcome focus, not process focus. #ukedchat


RT @MissPollockBlog: Ownership - pupils take pride of things that

they own rather than renting learning from the teacher (Kelly,

2003) independence? #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:21

#ukedchat @oliverquinlan Personalisation is a big reason my

school is outstanding-an understanding of the whole child-impacts

on learning


Ownership - pupils take pride of things that they own rather than

renting learning from the teacher (Kelly, 2003) independence?

#ukedchat

lankyflamingo 20:21

RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote independent learning

by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:22

#ukedchat What are the main constraints to students becoming

independent learners?

KerriDrama 20:22



mattpearson 20:22

@MissKMcCulloch this is very true, and also point out that knowing

things is about more than just possessing facts... #ukedchat

DepJo 20:22

RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat can we just clarify that we are

GROWING independent learners not expecting them TO BE

independent already

janeconsidine 20:22 Ask pupils, "Can you grow that idea bigger?" #ukedchat

matt_bellingham 20:22

Motivating chn to become ILers is great, but only with teaching

them that mistakes are ok. Then they can learn from mistakes

#ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:22

RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote

IL - Great description! #ukedchat

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Romaaddict 20:22 #ukedchat

stuart_g_brown 20:22

Promoting independent learning a gradual process-we must work

to build the confidence/ability that learners need to go themselves

#ukedchat


@Peter_Hook of course it is, IL partly about providing skills to meet

needs of a curriculum, no matter if it was govt or self made

#ukedchat

stuart_g_brown 20:22

Promoting independent learning a gradual process-we must work

to build the confidence/ability that learners need to go themselves

#ukedchat


@Peter_Hook of course it is, IL partly about providing skills to meet

needs of a curriculum, no matter if it was govt or self made

#ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:22

RT @Starshine_Music: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the

time in FS and KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good

habits? #ukedchat

Laura_Suths 20:22

@mattbuxton10 goes for assessment 2. Hardly every writecomments that aren't strings of ?s to keep them thinking &

developing. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:22

@ThatIanGilbert Still a tough call for many. Am always happy to try

again and fail better #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:22



Ideas_Factory 20:22


IL #ukedchat

Starshine_Music 20:22


so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchat

i2eEducation 20:22

RT @jamesmichie: @Rblteach That's the problem. Too much

babying - spoon feeding #ukedchat

KV80 20:23

RT @SOLUS_ED: @TyncanLtd @KV80 #ukedchat Curriculum for

Excellence @educationscot seems to be addressing this issue of no

"right" or "wrong" answers well

oliverquinlan 20:23

RT @Andy__Stokes: @BrightAire Agreed if school assessment

focused on process more the outcomes might still appear and

independent learners created #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:23 @lankyflamingo Oooh cool name for them! #ukedchat

mberry 20:23

How do folks see the social dimension to independent learning?

Successes in classes learning independently together? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:23

RT @jamesmichie #ukedchat What are the main constraints to

students becoming independent learners?


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oliverquinlan 20:23

RT @Starshine_Music: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the

time in FS and KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good

habits? #ukedchat

SOLUS_ED 20:23

@TyncanLtd @KV80 #ukedchat Curriculum for Excellence

@educationscot seems to be addressing this issue of no "right" or

"wrong" answers well

vickystrat1989 20:23RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promoteIL #ukedchat

ShaunGosney 20:23 #ukedchat can you measure independent learning?

ukedchat 20:23

RT @toppsines in infant school we are discovering more is less, too

much stimuli for IL can cause mass frenzy #ukedchat

Kathrynwiki 20:23

@stuart_g_brown confidence is a good point - its a lack of

confidence that keeps them asking for help #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:23

@oliverquinlan - I think you can! Learning is a more collaborative

process. P'ization not realistically deliverable in any case #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:23

#ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we need to encouage Ss

to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY options all the time

KV80 20:23

@jamesmichie #ukedchat pressure to get through the syllabus for

exams?

HilaryNunns 20:23

When writing students' comments on the board, use their language

not yours. #ukedchat


RT @TyncanLtd: @dailydenouement @futurebehaviour Or allowing

time for problems to be solved instead of clock watching& box

ticking #ukedchat

mjowchs 20:23

#ukedchat if we leave a question/task on the board and point to a

few base resources and leave the room will all students make

progress

Andy__Stokes 20:23

@BrightAire Agreed if school assessment focused on process more

the outcomes might still appear and independent learners created

#ukedchat

MissKMcCulloch 20:23 @MrWickensPE sensible thinking! #ukedchat

lankyflamingo 20:23

@jodieworld: Once saw pres on Ind Thinking- asking qs such as

"What colour is Tuesday" #ukedchat I use these too. They're

called thunks.

ukedchat 20:24

RT @HilaryNunns: When writing students' comments on the board,

use their language not yours. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:24

RT @mjowchs: @philallman1 #ukedchat good luck with that !< I'm

pretty resilient gove had better watch out!

BrightAire 20:24

@jamesmichie @Rblteach - agree. pressure to show results in

terms of once-achived competences rather than imbedded

understandings #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:24

@jamesmichie teachers, style of teaching, project, classroom

dynamics, behavior, expectations etc etc.

lankyflamingo 20:24 @jodieworld not my word. Can't take credit! #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:24

RT @mberry: How do folks see the social dimension to independentlearning? Successes in classes learning independently together?

#ukedchat

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Ideas_Factory 20:24

#ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL the time. Teachers

have to impart some kmowledge

ukedchat 20:24

RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we

need to encouage Ss to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY

options all the time

Kathrynwiki 20:24

@GeekPeter No but there are times you can step away from it a

little - excellent KS3 lessons where I've ignored the curriculum !#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:24

Lots of tweets saying IL need to be confident. How can we faciltate

that transition to confident learners? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:24

@KV80 Is that justifiable though? Don't we have a responsibility to

look beyond exams and grades? #ukedchat


#ukedchat if we stop teaching for a lesson and give pupils an

outcome would learning take place or would creativity and

independence surface

SurrealAnarchy 20:24@jamesmichie main constraints are students, parents, teachers andschools #ukedchat

_imaginaryme 20:24

As soon as you make a decision about what a pupil should learn or

how they should learn it, are you not taking away independence?

#ukedchat


@jamesmichie Important to balance self-reliance&sociability - ILs

must be good at seeking social assistance #ukedchat


RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Here's a manifesto for getting

students to embrace doing something HARD: http://t.co/RgIbJY7w

naomilynas 20:24

What does good IL look like? What are kids doing? What's the

teacher doing (or not doing)? #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:24

@mberry excellent question, reminds us that independent learning

does not necessarily mean solitary learning... #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:24

#ukedchat Here's a manifesto for getting students to embrace

doing something HARD: http://t.co/RgIbJY7w

marie5115 20:24

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat IL is not having an answer-or

starting with an answer and not having a question!

mjowchs 20:24 @philallman1 #ukedchat good luck with that !


RT @mister_jim: How do we create environments that allow chn to

be independent. They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat


#ukedchat how many teachers are really prepared for confident,

resilient,

mister_jim 20:24

How do we create environments that allow chn to be independent.

They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat

MrWickensPE 20:24

A key question, if our lessons were independent most of the time,

would you be brave enough to implement it in an observed lesson?

#ukedchat

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ukedchat 20:24

RT @stuart_g_brown: Promoting independent learning a gradual

process-we must work to build the confidence/ability that learners

need to go themselves #ukedchat

DepJo 20:24

@oliverquinlan #ukedchat So why can't we call it personalised? I

think we all did it before we were told to.. As usual! :)

philallman1 20:24

@ukedchat in 30yrs tme probably #ukedchat somethings are best

not immediately measured!

oliverquinlan 20:24

RT @BrightAire: @oliverquinlan - I think you can! Learning is a more

collaborative process. P'ization not realistically deliverable in any

case #ukedchat

SOLUS_ED 20:24


IL #ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:24 Restraints to IL - FEAR #ukedchat

essentialshaz 20:25

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat @oliverquinlan Personalisation is a

big reason my school is outstanding-an understanding of the wholechild-impacts on learning


@vickystrat1989 @oliverquinlan Also, unafraid to adapt and

become flexible to the pupil needs. #ukedchat

MissKMcCulloch 20:25 @ShaunGosney why should we need to? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:25 @HilaryNunns Yes! Easy to coast: hard to learn #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:25

What are the main constraints to students becoming independent

learners? #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:25

Independence has to go hand in hand with collaboration; (almost)

ALL learning relies on others in some form #ukedchat

mberry 20:25

@mister_jim isn't that a bit contradictory? Our 10 m.o. is highly

dependent on us, but also seems v happy exploring independently.

#ukedchat


@Andy__Stokes @BrightAire That's why we should assess soft skills

properly: http://t.co/YhKSrPTX #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:25

RT @mister_jim: How do we create environments that allow chn to

be independent. They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat

doglaunchers 20:25

RT @Nic5Harrison: Restraints to IL - FEAR #ukedchat


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ukedchat 20:25

@HilaryNunns really interesting point - I'm sure it's the sort of idea

that sounds small but has a HUGE impact #ukedchat

toppsines 20:25#ukedchat Work in infant school we are discovering more is less,too much stimuli for IL causes frenzy @ continuous provision stage.


RT @Romaaddict: @jamesmichie re constraints - grade obsessed

teachers under pressure from grade obsessed paretns! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:25

@SheliBB Why does MOE work? Is there research supporting it?

#ukedchat


RT @vickystrat1989: @oliverquinlan #ukedchat good teacher needs

to be resilient, determined to make a difference, thoughtful and

good collaborator &communicator

Peter_Hook 20:25

@philallman1 couldn't agree more. This is why we need root &

branch reform not tinkering around the edges #ukedchat

Romaaddict 20:25

@jamesmichie re constraints - grade obsessed teachers under

pressure from grade obsessed paretns! #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:25

RT @MrWickensPE: A key question, if our lessons were

independent most of the time, would you be brave enough to

implement it in an observed lesson? #ukedchat

lauwailap1 20:25





RT @Laura_Suths: #ukedchat I use this TED http://t.co/O6l5XQdm

and then upload suggested challenges to VLE as enrichment IL

ukedchat 20:26

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL

the time. Teachers have to impart some kmowledge

Rblteach 20:26

Constraints?For some staff I think the 'going off piste' in terms of

the lesson plan could be a confidence issue #ukedchat

oliverquinlan 20:26

. @mister_jim #ukedchat Or just facilitated by environment. Surely

'teachings' independent skills is antithetical?

Ideas_Factory 20:26

@oliverquinlan #ukedchat No jargon an outstanding school on

many levels -we embrace the whole child/EVERY child-isn't that

Personalisation?

daShcoaching 20:26

RT @mberry How do folks see the social dimension to independent

learning? #ukedchat Social learning outside classroom so encourage

to engage

BrightAire 20:26@ShaunGosney - not easily. We tend to measure only that whichcan be easily measured. Gives a very false impression. #ukedchat

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LearningSpy 20:26

#ukedchat I have started showing students their full statistical

grade spread to motivate them go beyond targets and TRY HARDER

matt_bellingham 20:26

Shouldn't we balance IL and traditional teaching? Many low-ability

chn wouldn't cope because they are so afraid of failing #ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:26

If you design the task well and equip with skills to access materialand support others- effective outcomes can still be achieved

#ukedchat

essentialshaz 20:26


IL #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:26

@SurrealAnarchy agreed they are the questions I frequently ask

school leaders #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:26

RT @ukedchat: Is independent learning a good thing? #ukedchat

#devilsadvocate

richmayf 20:26

The oak of independent learning grows from the acorn of

inspirational teaching. #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:26

RT @ukedchat: What are the main constraints to students

becoming independent learners? #ukedchat


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RT @mattbuxton10: Independence has to go hand in hand with

collaboration; (almost) ALL learning relies on others in some form

#ukedchat

Biolady99 20:26

@stuart_g_brown it has to come from an inner desire to learn

#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:27

@ukedchat - I'm not sure IL is in the interest of the state who are

mainly interested in producing commercial cannon-fodder#ukedchat

Crewepartner 20:27

#ukedchat some teachers are so scrutinised they have a terror of

allowing learning to take its own course

tobyholman 20:27

@richmayf Agree. And Inspirational teaching that allows freedon

too #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:27

RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat can we just clarify that we are

GROWING independent learners not expecting them TO BE

independent already

philallman1 20:27

RT @ukedchat: Is independent learning a good thing? #ukedchat

#devilsadvocate < IL is the ONLY thing - without it knowledge ismeaningless!

raff31 20:27 Independent Learning. ...just depends #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:27

Lots of new faces at #ukedchat tonight. If you need a hand, just ask.

Lovely to see you all here :-)

jamesmichie 20:27

@KV80 Im not sure I see the syllabus as constraining though.

#ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:27 #ukedchat #independentLearning simple strategy:

SheliBB 20:27

@LearningSpy think MoE works because chdn have ownership of

their learning, make choices & decisions & are truly in driving seat

#ukedchat

Biolady99 20:27

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL

the time. Teachers have to impart some kmowledge

ikeontoast 20:27

#ukedchat next Tues 8pm is #addcym chat...its the chilled out

version of ukedchat...all welcome. Focus on leadership


@naomilynas The teacher builds the skills by the way they teach,

teaching for progression, trivium... #ukedchat


RT @Nic5Harrison: @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way

to get independent learners is make sure they enjoy their

education.... SO AGREE

mrpeel 20:27

#Ukedchat let students teach - not present - builds confidence and

improves skills all round


RT @SOLUS_ED: @Laura_Suths #Ukedchat There are two extremes

of edu. to avoid. One is assuming that [exams] is a sure cure for

ignorance & mediocrity. Ford

philallman1 20:27

@matt_bellingham disagree - best IL are often those who do not

succeed 'academically' #ukedchat

LawrenceBham 20:27 #ukedchat

bramleyapplecc 20:27

#ukedchat "the most important skill for a teacher is knowing what

is irrelevant" D Heathcote

DepJo 20:27

@oliverquinlan interesting thought as have never really askedanyone what they meant by it and if they mean what I mean!

#ukedchat

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RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I

now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat


@Graham_Cowan:If IL don't know what they don't know how will

they know what they need to know? #ukedchat Curiosity can drive

them further

helenhamill 20:27

@ShaunGosney #ukedchat special schools do great work here,

secondarys some, grammars no! stats on #SEN not published toverify!


@ukedchat It's the sort of thing that would be best done

formatively - by learners who understood what its elements were

#ukedchat

stevenmaxson 20:27




lauwailap1 20:27

For confident Ind Learners, we need to provide safe environments

for failure, and with that Ind Learning and success will come

#ukedchat

stevenmaxson 20:27

RT @HilaryNunns: When writing students' comments on the board,

use their language not yours. #ukedchat

Nic5Harrison 20:27 Model IL - 'show' how it works #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:27

RT @mberry: How do folks see the social dimension to independent

learning? Successes in classes learning independently together?

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:28

Oh yes RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote independent

learning by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:28

@jamesmichie Teacher confidence, and a curriculum that is still

based on a Victorian model of preparing to work in the factory ?

#ukedchat


@ukedchat give opportunities to be successful, develop skills at

their pace. #ukedchat

ikeontoast 20:28

@MissPollockBlog have followed. curiosity is so key. we foster it

through showing learning can be fun #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:28 @KerriDrama Tell more #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:28

RT @LawrenceBham: @richmayf: The oak of independent

learning grows from the acorn of inspirational teaching.

#ukedchat


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LearningSpy 20:28

@SheliBB Yes. I understand theory but is there an evidence base?

#ukedchat

talktoteens 20:28

@ukedchat must involve students on the co-construction in

projects. Share aims and let them help decide how learning is

structured #ukedchat

day_tom 20:28

@ShaunGosney surely measuring IL same as measuring learning -

assessment still happens. Measure outcomes and processesthough? #ukedchat

SOLUS_ED 20:28

#ukedchat What about IL in infants? Try to tell a 1 year old NOT to

explore their world. At what point, and why, do we lose this natural

IL?

jamesmichie 20:28

RT @UberProfessor: #ukedchat independence comes when they

begin to lead their own learning, and teachers are empowered and

prepared to take risks. #Millfield

Romaaddict 20:28 #ukedchat

joclap89 20:28

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