ukedchat archive 29 december 2011

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29 December 2011 #ukedchat/#asechat Special

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ViciaScience 19:59#ukedchat #asechat great video from @brendano to show what science Y1

pupils can achieve bit.ly/v2a1Sl

NeedhamL56 20:00#ukedchat and #asechat lets start with tapping into children's curiosity about

the world, then making obs that are more scientific

ukedchat 20:01Welcome to #ukedchat / #asechat joint session tonight hosted by

@ViciaScience

anhalf 20:01@jona1 no prob :-D haven't heard from the others yet... will hope to after

newyear. R u joining #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:01@NeedhamL56 How big is a child's world when they are in early years? Does

this exclude some ideas and skills? #asechat #UKedchat

hrogerson 20:02@ViciaScience #ukedchat #ASEChat how to measure and why we measure.

Jonny Ball has a great book on that.

ViciaScience 20:02@ukedchat nd welcome to tonights topic with a primary science theme

#asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:03My physics page has been updated with mystic plasticine and dancing

particles/states of matter (obviously still has BFCs) #asechat

hrogerson 20:04@ViciaScience @needhaml56 seeing cause and effect would be useful, seeing

spotting effects early on. #ukedchat #ASEChat

Biolady99 20:04@hrogerson i used to watch Jonny Ball all the time as a child plus the

programme How #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:04 @ViciaScience use their concrete experiences and curiosity to develop a

scientific way of looking no matter how big .. #asechat/#ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:05A child's universe only limited by imagination until squashed by convention

#asechat #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:05 RT @hrogerson: @ViciaScience @needhaml56 seeing cause and effect would

be useful, seeing spotting effects early on. #ukedchat #ASEChat

anhalf 20:05@ViciaScience what do sec teachers thnk we need to spend mre/less time on?

#asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:06RT @cardiffscience: A child's universe only limited by imagination until

squashed by convention #asechat #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:06As a secondary science teacher I don't want too much ks3 fact taught. Eg

particle model taught as concrete prep. #ASEChat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:06 @hrogerson #ASEChat such as when class makes a sound they can see impact

on data logger? Seen EY class do this. Brilliant #ASEChat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:06 @ViciaScience #asechat/ #ukedchat their world is

Teachric 20:06Bottom line - the National Curriculum for Science in primary schools is

impossible to implement #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:06 Please primary school teachers teach LITRES/kg like with 10cmx10cmx10cm

cubes fill with water and weigh!!!! For a start :-) #asechat

hrogerson 20:07 Sorry, tea time in my house! #ASEChat #ukedchat enjoy!

anhalf 20:08@Lethandrel thanks...its important that pri and sec TALK to ech othr...we all

want chn to love the sbjct :-) #asechat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:08 @cardiffscience why do they grow out of this? is it because they begin to knowsome of the answers? #asechat/ #ukedchat

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ViciaScience 20:08 @hrogerson sec teachers need children to have concrete experiences that can

be linked into big ideas when arrive in sec schl? #ASEChat

ViciaScience 20:09@Lethandrel Be good to understand what sort of measuring children should do

in early years / primary? #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:09 @Teachric how come?? #ukedchat #asechat

Lethandrel 20:10 @anhalf I learnt metric by that method at prim sch in 70s - advantagedbecause of #asechat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:10#asechat/ #ukedchat but what is to be taught when? Singapore curric has cells

in Y4 is this right?

anhalf 20:10 Aaaaarrrrggghhhh TweetDeck slow #asechat

NeedhamL56 20:11@ViciaScience @lethandrel mmm just read this as measuring cylinder need to

get out more #asechat/ #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:11i learned about electrical circuits at key stage 2 in lots of detail #ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:11 @cardiffscience #ukedchat Yes. Whole sessions can b spent generating qus:leading chn not 2 accept but 2 question how / why the world works

Lethandrel 20:11Also VERY good at sorting out damned areas and volumes problem re milli or

centi #asechat

cardiffscience 20:12@NeedhamL56 I think it's more that their questions aren't always valued; we

need to help them ..1/2 #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:12@NeedhamL56 Did you KNOW where your ml came from? #asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:12@norfolkteacher1 should anything go in terms of chldn's qu's? or should there

be a fixed curric? #asechat #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:12 @ViciaScience yes but more detail if children can cope too #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:13 @Lethandrel nope! I'm ashamed to say #asechat/ #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:14Do children need to do their own enquiry to get insights into how science

knowledge is acquired? #ukedchat #asechat

NeedhamL56 20:14 @norfolkteacher1 @cardiffscience shouldn't we be getting more sophisticated

at investigating rather than doing less? #asechat/ #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:14@NeedhamL56 Exactly. 10cmx10cmx10cm cube (ie litre) fill with water, weigh,

a kg. BASIC STARTING POINT!!! #asechat #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:14@SheliBB cool, we did electrical circuits by playing with circuit boards and

making different kinds using resistors etc #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:14@NeedhamL56 ...turn q's into ones that can be answered using enquiry 2/2

#asechat #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:14 #ukedchat Do any teachers manage cross curriculum science?

NeedhamL56 20:15 @cardiffscience: @NeedhamL56 ...turn q's into ones that can be answered

using enquiry 2/2 #asechat #ukedchat def a skill to learn in 1ery

anhalf 20:15@ICTwitz we try to do mix of discrete and cross curricular...worry that mny

prim do all crss curricular...#asechat

Biolady99 20:16

RT @NeedhamL56: @cardiffscience: @NeedhamL56 ...turn q's into ones

that can be answered using enquiry 2/2 #asechat #ukedchat def a skill to

learn in 1ery

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ViciaScience 20:16 @Lethandrel starting point may be to get all teachers to adopt same system of

units?? Is there place for mm and cm?? #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:16@ViciaScience I've had enough of that crap re my blog #ukedchat #asechat

Lethandrel 20:17 @ViciaScience Uh yeah! I have A2 students who wished they'd listened to mefirst time round. Wouldn't it be better.... #asechat #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:17 @ViciaScience @Lethandrel main'measuring'that eyfs/primary chdrn should do

is observation-language to compare,analyse,describe etc #ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:19 @ICTwitz I've designed whole topics around science: scientists in mantle &

linked 2 lit /num /geog & hist. Vital in giving purpose #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:19@Lethandrel so do we propose only units such as milli, kilo or is there a place

for deci and centi? #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:19 @ViciaScience I started AS with SI units. Was all class teaching I'm sorry to say.and I'm talking cm,mm,m,kg,l,ml #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:19@SheliBB so shd prim not worry bout measuring ? Just obs and compare ?

#asechat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:19 @ViciaScience @lethandrel education for teachers re language of

measurement, common vocab would help everyone #asechat/ #ukedchat

DrDav 20:19#asechat Have heard suggestion that science shouldn't be part of primary

curriculum - don't think I agree, but could see why said

Lethandrel 20:20@ViciaScience We use cm. Where the hell do we use deci? #asechat #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:20

RT @NeedhamL56: @ViciaScience @lethandrel education for teachers re

language of measurement, common vocab would help everyone #asechat/

#ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:21 @cardiffscience #ukedchat & they also need to spend time considering why

their experiments haven't worked / how 2 improve & how 2 do again

NeedhamL56 20:21 @DrDav also heard opposite; more content should go into KS2 and there

should be specialist science teachers in 1ery #asechat/ #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:21 @anhalf and the discoveries and the conclusions that they make #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:21@anhalf No no no! Please do not abandon measurement. Pupils need to see

quantification. #asechat #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:21@anhalf not at all! But language must surely be used first? Measuring is

essential maths, but to me the 'science' is the language #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:21I had an ADVANTAGE (in 70s) because I KNEW what a litre was, was 10cm was,

what a kg was. #asechat

ViciaScience 20:21 @Lethandrel decibels #asechat

anhalf 20:21@DrDav dont think that is the case...still core as far as i know #asechat

NeedhamL56 20:22 @anhalf: @SheliBB so shd prim not worry bout measuring ? Just obs and

compare ? #asechat #ukedchat def NOT 'what should we measure.

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DrDav 20:22#asechat #ukedchat Perhaps need more 'science careers' in primary. Showing

where science used, rather than concepts used.

cardiffscience 20:22 Think too often we confuse science as content. It's exploration and

investigation which is what young chln are experts at #asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:23@cardiffscience Children think scientifically from v early age - cause and effect,

prediction based on observation. #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:23 @SheliBB @viciascience phew!! Thought so!! Ks1 focus on comparing and

observing. Ks2 more measure..usin mm,ml,cm,l,kg,g. #asechat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:23 @anhalf: @SheliBB so shd prim not worry bout measuring ? Just obs and

compare ? #asechat #ukedchatto see if its made a difference?"

DrRacheal 20:23@DrDav But isn't childhood all about exploring your environment and making

rules to fit your experiences? Is that not science? #asechat

Lethandrel 20:23Or is someone trying to tell me that not knowing what a litre, metre, etc is is

NOT a disadvantage #asechat

NeedhamL56 20:24@DrDav check out 'primarily science' @t4ny476 they have a good activity

related to science careers #asechat/ #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:24@anhalf From me: Teach them kg, litres and the relation - that 10x10x10

#asechat #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:24@nickotkdIV @ViciaScience @Lethandrel not a big fan of APP #ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:24@cardiffscience #ukedchat - couldn't agree more. It's a skill in which

knowledge will spring from

Teachric 20:25 @anhalf We never allow children to plan their own investigations,or to carry it

out with their choice of equipment.Its impossible #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:25#ukedchat How about using fiction to inspire an interest in science and

engineering? - see http://t.co/vIeKx3kg

SheliBB 20:26 @anhalf @viciascience ability to measure is different from skills needed to

draw conclusions, so scienctific language SO important #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:26@Babbleaboutbks I thiught most chidren were interested in science when they

start school? #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:26I have AS students that do not know what 10cmx10cmx10cm is #asechat

cardiffscience 20:26 Yes! MT @DrRacheal @DrDav But isn't childhood all abt exploring your env and

making rules to fit your experiences? Is that not sci? #asechat

ViciaScience 20:27@SheliBB I quite agree. There must be time given to discussing findings and

emerging ideas / explanations #asechat #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:28 @ViciaScience Yes, they probably are. I think it is useful to see it across the

whole curriculum and presented in different forms #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:28@cardiffscience yes, science is about UNcertainty #asechat/ #ukedchat

DrDav 20:28 @Teachric @anhalf #ukedchat Managed with year 7 and 8 using CREST

scheme. All their own ideas and investigations. Could be done in primary

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ViciaScience 20:29@cardiffscience Agreed. Till we get to those tricky sciece ideas which are NOT

intuitive - save till later?? #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:29Stop fanning the fads, please. Kiddies ask why because they want to be told.

They don't want 'oh see this website' #asechat

SheliBB 20:30 @ViciaScience A child might be poor @ making accurate measurements,but

fully understand the science part of what they hve observed #ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:30@SheliBB @anhalf @viciascience #ukedchat Language enables chn to

understand what they are measuring and why

ViciaScience 20:30@Babbleaboutbks be great to have some suggested titles of fiction with a

strong sci theme #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:31Exploring, observing etc yes . . . but science also uses hard ideas to explain -

young children not able to cope with. #asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:31@norfolkteacher1 Agreed. Language also empowers thinking. Need to develop

language to help develop ideas. #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:31Unless you are Galileo or Faraday even the most carefully put together

'discovery' lessons DO NOT work #asechat

apuustin 20:32 How Digital Learning Will Benefit Low Income Students http://t.co/PNFptxxH

via @zite #education #finnedchat #edchat #ukedchat #principals

cardiffscience 20:32Also, pri chln arrive in sec with enquiry skills which are ignored. Eg They can

draw a table, don't need a worksheet! #asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:32@SheliBB Interesting point. Should teacher focus on helping improve accuracy

of measurement or not important? #asechat #ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:32@SheliBB @anhalf @viciascience any good vocab games that you use at the

beginning of a new topic? #ukedchat

DrRacheal 20:32@Lethandrel My AS biology students struggle converting between milli, kilo,

nano prefixes #asechat

Babbleaboutbks 20:33I think getting children out of the classroom as much as possible also helps

develop an interest in science too. #ukedchat

Teachric 20:33@DrDav @anhalf Not with health and safety regulations as they are. What is

CREST? #ukedchat

anhalf 20:33@nickotkdIV many prims seem to hve lost sci in cross curriculum topcs...shd we

try to change and hw ? #asechat #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:33 @nickotkdIV @norfolkteacher1 @anhalf @viciascience because it develops

curiosity, experimentation, investigation & enquiry skills? #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:33@DrDav so which ideas are too hard for young children?? #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:33 @DrRacheal Sing them! V quickly do they avoid my singing #asechat

SheliBB 20:34 @ViciaScience Yes, accuracy is very important, but not always necessary in

order to make appropriate scientific conclusions #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:34 True RT @anhalf @nickotkdIV many prims seem to hve lost sci in cross

curriculum topcs...shd we try to change and hw ? #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:34

@ViciaScience @babbleaboutbks I'm waiting for this book

http://t.co/rENLYxwB to arrive. Sounds good, but not primary #asechat#ukedchat

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anhalf 20:34 RT @SheliBB @nickotkdIV @norfolkteacher1 because it develops curiosity,

experimentation, investigation & enquiry skills? #ukedchat< YES YES

NeedhamL56 20:35 @cardiffscience back to talking again, sec teachers can't value what children

bring/ don't trust they can ACTUALLY do it #asechat/ #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:35 @cardiffscience So did Rose report strengthen science in primary curric?#ASEChat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:35@Teachric much health and sfety is tosh and need not impact on exciting

chn...#asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:35 Important to strive for accuray, even if not achieved.MT @ViciaScience:

@SheliBB accuracy of measurement not important? #asechat #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:35I would imagine that science teaching lends itself beautifully to practical,

outdoor exploration & interesting visits/visitors. #ukedchat

maz_blaze90 20:36#asechat #ukedchat seems a lot of the units/measuring can be taught in maths

as well as Sci, no excuse with cross curric themes then

asober 20:36@ViciaScience @shelibb ...personally I believe these areas are all

interconnected #asechat #ukedchat

DrRacheal 20:36 @Lethandrel Ha ha ha! Brilliant! #asechat

ViciaScience 20:37@maz_blaze90 yes - as long as maths and sci teachers use same language. Not

a prob in primary schls? #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:37@ViciaScience I suggest atoms&bonding, forces, & energy to start with. Can be

done superficially but still hard #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:37 @Lethandrel agreed...&thats the point & joy..sci is unpredictable and

sometimes has no answrs. Pri. Chn can cope wit that #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:37 @DrRacheal Bloody works! #asechat

maz_blaze90 20:38@ViciaScience #ukedchat #asechat and with communication shouldn't be prob

in KS3 either! taught at same time in two places. k

ViciaScience 20:38 @Teachric I think there is a need for both #ukedchat

Teachric 20:38 @anhalf The Science curriculum is unrealistic, we need to teach problem

solving and thinking skills at primary level not "facts" #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:38@DrRacheal Actually gets a bit embarrassing when they start doing it in PUBLIC

#asechat

asober 20:38 @ViciaScience don't think there are ideas that are too hard to understand, but

some might be diff to teach to a young audience #asechat

ViciaScience 20:39 @DrDav some aspects of forces are better at primary others at secondary.

Concrete exp at prim, more abstract at sec? #asechat #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:39@NeedhamL56 sadly, often low expectations (I am sec, but worked with pri).

Same true at all transitions, eg sec to FE #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:40@ViciaScience no prob in pri aslong as tchrs stress and use egs across bth sbjcts

#asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:40CREST award from BA http://t.co/kk1ehrRF @Teachric @anhalf We got the

kids to do H&S assessment. No injuries! #ukedchat #asechat

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norfolkteacher1 20:41 @cardiffscience @anhalf @nickotkdIV Do u think? If topic mapping is done

properly science shouldn't be lost when ensuring coverage #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:41@anhalf Agreed. Sec sci teachers could do with some support in how maths is

taught in my experience. #asechat #ukedchat

asober 20:41Difficult ideas to teach in Prim: diff between en and pow, energy and eff...

Mainly due to math demands? #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:41@Teachric need both for sure.. knwledge thru skills thru knwledge..intertwined

#asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:42@asober Agreed. Teaching of energy may be due for a shake up. Talk to IoP at

#ASEconf about this #asechat #ukedchat

asober 20:42@cardiffscience @needhaml56 could it also be lack of trust for colleagues

further down? In some cases? #ukedchat #asechat

SheliBB 20:43@norfolkteacher1 @cardiffscience @anhalf @nickotkdIV science is definitely

not lost at our school! #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:43

@asober but why would you teach those in pri? KS4 really #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:43@Teachric #ukedchat #asechat Without some facts it can be quite tricky to

solve problems or have anything to use thinking skills on.

Teachric 20:44@DrDav yes but come secondary all science teachers teach everything from

scratch anyway? #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:44@DrDav @Teachric But the children can learn facts whilst investigating

#ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:44So what should be taught in primary in addition to measurement and

observation #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:44@norfolkteacher1 ideally not but in my experience many lose the sbjct...chn

shd knw they are learning science...#asechat

NeedhamL56 20:45 @SheliBB: @norfolkteacher1 @cardiffscience @anhalf @nickotkdIV

science is definitely not lost at our school! #ukedchat Hooray!! #asechat

asober 20:45@cardiffscience ah! Because we lost rolls-Royce prize against primary who

intro'd en eff to stretch kids ;-) #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:45@norfolkteacher1 cont..how can we rais profile of sbjct uf not knw learningit??

#asechat

ViciaScience 20:45Only 15 mins left. DfE and Oates at #ASEconf need to be told what we think

primary science should look like. Suggestions please #asechat

maz_blaze90 20:46 @ViciaScience recording! #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:46Glad to hear it! RT @SheliBB: science is definitely not lost at our school!

#ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:46 @nickotkdIV @SheliBB @anhalf Well that's a real shame because I've found

the opportunity it affords other subjects is invaluable #ukedchat

DrDav 20:47 Spiral curriculum??? MT @Teachric: @DrDav yes but come secondary all

science teachers teach everything from scratch anyway? #ukedchat

anhalf 20:47 RT @NeedhamL56 @SheliBB: @norfolkteacher1 @cardiffscience

@nickotkdIV sci not lost at our school! #ukedchat yay #asechat < ours too :-Dgeorgiayam 20:47 How about making conclusions and graphing? #ukedchat #asechat

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ICTwitz 20:48Sorry, keep dropping out of this #ukedchat tonight. A lot of poor teaching in

primary is evident due to lack of knowledge of teachers

ViciaScience 20:48measuring, recording, observing, graphing concluding all ok. Evaluating,

analysing, criticising? #asechat #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:48RT @Lethandrel: Unless you are Galileo or Faraday even the most carefully put

together 'discovery' lessons DO NOT work #asechat

ViciaScience 20:49 @Biolady99 Are teachers more confident with this than, say, light, forces,electricity? #ukedchat #asechat

cardiffscience 20:49Don't throw baby out with bath water , explicit science enquiry with good basic

science content; better links with sec #asechat #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:49I mean, I know a lot of primary teachers who avoid upper KS2 because of their

lack of knowledge and confidence #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:49 In our primary the children experience either science through mantle of the

expert (enquiry) or 2 hours deicated teaching per week #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:49 fieldwork and ecology for environmental studies #ukedchat

anhalf 20:49 @nickotkdIV :-( need a strong coordinator in pri to keep high profile andstandards. #asechat

DrDav 20:50What science is used for e.g. careers/real world links (Though I know that is

down to individual schools) #asechat #ukedchat

Teachric 20:50@ICTwitz yes but that is true of all subjects. Our year 3 teacher spells which

witch, its unbelievable. #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:50#ukedchat I have seen concept cartoons used to help thinking and share ideas,

but they are costly?

ViciaScience 20:51 @nightzookeeper Thanks for confirming that! #ukedchat #asechat

ICTwitz 20:51@Teachric #ukedchat Not to mention the notes I see with confusions of their /

they're / there! Shameful!

Teachric 20:51@ViciaScience evaluating, criticising and analysing are very very important

skills to teach #ukedchat

cardiffscience 20:51Most of all value the excellent work going on in many primary classrooms

#asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:51 @ICTwitz do u thnk so? How can this be overcome? #asechat

ViciaScience 20:51Agree RT @anhalf: @nickotkdIV :-( need a strong coordinator in pri to keep

high profile and standards. #asechat

ViciaScience 20:52@Teachric I agree they are important , but not easy #asechat #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:52

@anhalf A higher standard of teacher training, with a higher standard of

students who WANT to teach! #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:52@ViciaScience its all about balancing the content for all science in a

multidisciplinary sense #ukedchat

anhalf 20:52@ViciaScience investigation, wow factor...real life science, inventions and

inventors...LIVING!! # asechat #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:52 Absolutely - need a pedestal RT @cardiffscience: Most of all value the excellent

work going on in many primary classrooms #asechat #ukedchat

DrRacheal 20:52@asober In my experience, pri teachers are not confident teaching science

concepts as they're not specialists #asechat

ViciaScience 20:53 @anhalf Yes! (Who can name 10 scientists whose work has been published inlast 20 years?) #ukedchat #asechat

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racheleppy 20:53@ictwitz in the grand scheme of things no they're not but depends on your

budget: http://t.co/NrIxDsSU #ukedchat

anhalf 20:53@ICTwitz yes...i am doing GTP day in feb..they have One day only in yr training

on science ...crazy.#asechat #ukedchat

asober 20:53@DrRacheal some are and they do a good job at coordinating around the

school! #ukedchat #asechat

NeedhamL56 20:54 @ICTwitz should there be a primary science specialist in every school?#asechat / #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:54@SheliBB please explain 'mantle' - not aware of this #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:54RT @cardiffscience: Most of all value the excellent work going on in many

primary classrooms #asechat #ukedchat

Teachric 20:54@ViciaScience oh no, before teaching I used to lecture at university and I saw

those skills lacking there too. #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:54 @Babbleaboutbks my preferred method is through mantle. Sometimes up to 7

hours of science a week! Using&applying skills in context #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:54@Teachric Indeed! #ukedchat Standards need to be raised at the training

stage, in my opinion!

cardiffscience 20:54Not all but many are RT @DrRacheal In my experience, pri teachers are not

confident teaching science concepts #asechat

ViciaScience 20:55@cardiffscience Confidence is not same as competance. How can we help

teachers to become more confident? #asechat #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:55 @anhalf Teaching science at TT level should be practical, fun and engaging,

which will create teachers who show an enthusiasm #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:55 One of our teachers often takes a Sugata Mitra approach to investigations. Pile

up the equipment and say 'what can you learn?' #ukedchat

anhalf 20:56@NeedhamL56 hard in schs with 4 staff...need support and strong links btween

phases #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:56 Almost impossible to achieve. RT @NeedhamL56: @ICTwitz should there be a

primary science specialist in every school? #asechat / #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:57@NeedhamL56 Yes, and an English one, and a maths one!!! Tricky and costly!

#ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:57

@anhalf I would be v interested in helpiing set up communities of schools to

provide links, thru orgs like ASE #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:57@ICTwitz agreed...but it doesn't seem to be give mch time cmprd to eng/math

#asechat #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 20:57 @DrDav: Almost impossible to achieve. should there be a primary science

specialist.. #asechat / #ukedchat Why? its been done for Maths

NuttyA10 20:57@ICTwitz @anhalf Very dependent on what Teacher training you undertake as

to priority of science #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:57For goodness sake, litres and kg (cm mm and m) are essential at primary

#asechat

SheliBB 20:58 @ViciaScience learning in a drama context (assuming an expert role). Difficultto explain here! Will find a link #ukedchat

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cardiffscience 20:58Have seen 'science' explained badly in many sec lessons, and teaching varies

greatly; not just a primary issue #asechat #ukedchat

DrDav 20:58 At my primary get almost no appls with sci deg MT @NeedhamL56: @ICTwitz

primary science specialist in every school? #asechat / #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:59It's 9pm. Many thanks to @ViciaScience for hosting this joint #ukedchat /

#asechat special. Hope to see you again next Thurs at 8!

NuttyA10 20:59 @DrDav @NeedhamL56 @ICTwitz Would be good like MaST have science

specialism but no finance now for maths specialists #ukedchat

ViciaScience 20:59Last few seconds - been some very passionate views expressed and lots of

fodder for thought #asechat #ukedchat

anhalf 20:59@NeedhamL56 yes...but schs hav to pay fr MAst...schs cant/wont supprt sci in

same way :-( #asechat #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:59Bit of a clue - I have to teach it at AS/A2 level, that's why bugbear #asechat

ViciaScience 21:00 Thanks everyone for a stimulating evening, and thanks to #ukedchat for lettingus invade their twitter space this week. Happy New Year

DrDav 21:00 Possible have someone trained to be science specialist, but unlikely to have

science degree.SLCs provide lots of support #asechat #ukedchat

Biolady99 21:00 @cardiffscience i think its an issue everywhere #ukedchat

NuttyA10 21:00@norfolkteacher1 @anhalf Why do we do this in prim when not a priority at

secondary? #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 21:00 @ICTwitz suppose it depends on what is valued and how it is measured?

should be about learning and developing next gen #asechat/#ukedchat

DrRacheal 21:00 @cardiffscience Agree. In my last school I was pri liaison and supported those

who needed plan/team teach/sub know/enquiry lessons #asechat

NuttyA10 21:01@ViciaScience Looked like a good one and I missed most of it! Thanks for

hosting. #ukedchat

cardiffscience 21:02@ViciaScience thanks for hosting good #asechat #ukedchat . Lets do another

takeover, perhaps not in hols?

DrDav 21:02#ukedchat Thanks all. Now back to those exam questions I WAS supposed to

be writing tonight!

NeedhamL56 21:02

@anhalf interesting, we know the reason. I'm sure that there is talk about

improving sci in very through' this idea. #asechat / #ukedchat

ICTwitz 21:02Thanks for an interesting #ukedchat Sorry I was intermittent. Back to normal

next week =!!!

norfolkteacher1 21:03@nickotkdIV @anhalf #ukedchat - absolutely! Work with data in num / write

up in lit/ given geog / hist / PSHE purpose 4 investigation!

Biolady99 21:03 @ViciaScience thanks and see you next week #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:04@Teachric @ViciaScience not one of my mantles, but this might help

http://t.co/sUGzbv8N #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 21:05 @viciascience Thanks for hosting #asechat / #ukedchat its a very hard topic, no

wonder NC review is delayed! Happy New year all you chatters

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SheliBB 21:05

@Teachric My children have been STARS(space transportation &

restorationation specialists) covering space,forces etc @ViciaScience

#ukedchat

SheliBB 21:07 @Teachric @ViciaScience 'Energybusters' covering sustainable science, animal

rescue centre volunteers- covering life processes #ukedchat

NeedhamL56 21:07 @ViciaScience mmm APP has a good lot of science knowledge that would

ensure chldn could be scientists, +progression #asechat / #ukedchat

cardiffscience 21:07@SheliBB @Teachric @ViciaScience mantle of the expert great! Would love to

know more about how you use it #asechat

SheliBB 21:08@Teachric @ViciaScience and next half term we are rescuing a polar bear,

covering materials, forces, life processes #ukedchat :)

NeedhamL56 21:08Off for Great expectations!! #asechat / #ukedchat getting told to come off my

computer now

norfolkteacher1 21:08@ukedchat @ViciaScience Absolutely. Thank you. It's been most stimulating

(and I managed to follow the thread - yay!) #ukedchat

anhalf 21:09Phew that was a fast hour #ukedchat #asechat will try to make my GTP

training inspirational :-)

SheliBB 21:10@ViciaScience children love it! Crime scene investigators is another one. I think

it helps develops enquiry/analytical skills #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:11 @cardiffscience @Teachric @ViciaScience easy to use mantle of the expert in

primary schools.Lots of basic skills linked together #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:12 @Teachric I like the planning as I'm not great at planning ahead. Children lead

the way! #ukedchat I know what they need to learn of course!

simcloughlin 21:16Whoops! Forgot it was #ukedchat night. Have been packing my suitcase.

thisisliamm 21:21@ICTwitz Not if you make your own - clip art and speech bubbles! #ukedchat

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