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COMPOSITES TASK GROUP/NMMT SUB-GROUPOCTOBER, 2009

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES COMPOSITES NMMTOCTOBER, 19 – 23 2009

SHERATION STATION SQUAREPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from

the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY 19-OCT-09 to FRIDAY 23-OCT-091.0 OPENING COMMENTS1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Composites (COMP) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 19-Oct-09.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBING MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portions of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

User Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAME COMPANY NAME

* Monica Alcala Honeywell Aerospace* Peter Atwell Airbus* Mike Bemis Goodrich Chair* Tara Campbell Rolls Royce Group* Jeff Conrad Cessna* Marty Couey Hawker Beechcraft* Lucia Cutillo Alenia Aeronautica* Kevin Dowling Spirit* Marcel Francois Safran

Kent Hall General Dynamics* Brett Hemingway BAE Systems* Mark Jackson Vought Aircraft Industries

Henry Johnson Volvo Aero Corporation* John Key Bell Helicopter Textron* Betty Kocsis Honeywell Aerospace Secretary

John Kuie The Boeing Company* Lance Loeks The Boeing Company* Will Macias Goodrich* Andreas Mastorakis GE Aviation Vice Chair

Gary Maxwell The Boeing Company* Angelina Mendoza Goodrich

Rick Ouellette The Boeing Company* Alberto Portal EADS-Casa/Airbus Military* Doug Prenovost Northrop Grumman* Anne Stanley Bombardier

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAME COMPANY NAME

* Frank Anderson The M&P Lab, Inc.* Paul Braun Cincinnati Testing Labs

Kevin Brennan Swift Engineering, Inc.* Ben Flores Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.* Miguel Gerdel Thermal Structures Inc.

Phil Giffin Exova OCMSeverine Guitton Composites Atlantic LimitedMike Guthmiller Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Kent Hall General Dynamics

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Larry Johnson Alcore, Inc.* David Kimber ATK Composites Structures* Tommie Lakes GKN Aerospace

Michael Machlied Maverick Corp.* Brian McCrory Delsen Testing Laboratories, Inc.

Erik Moller FlexcoBob Olevson Stork Materials Testing & InspectionPranesh Pahalad Avcorp Ind. Inc.

* Mark Pietz Touchstone Research* Jim Rossi Westmoreland Testing* Colleen Saunders Toray Composites (America), Inc.* David Scott Hitco

Sally Spindor Triumph GroupDawn Stokes PTI Industries Inc.Mark Trepanier Composites Atlantic, Ltd

* Penny Tweedie Cytec Engineered MaterialsChris Wiebe Product Manufacturing Co.

PRI Staff Present NAMERebekah Braun PRI Staff EngineerDavid Kennedy PRI AuditorHarry Coffee PRI Auditor

1.2 Code of Ethics and Conflict of Information Policy was presented by the Task Group Chair for all Nadcap attendees. This information is also available in the Nadcap Attendees Guide.

1.3 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

Motion was put forth to accept minutes from July 2009 meeting. Minutes were accepted with no changes. All meeting minutes will be available on the PRI web site at www.pri-network.org.

1.4 Review of Meeting Agenda

The Staff Engineer (Rebekah Braun) presented the agenda for the Composites Task Group for this week.

2.0 STAFF REPORT (OPEN)

Items of interest since the July 2009 Nadcap meeting were reviewed in addition to 2009 audit projections, current Auditor status and top nonconformances written against the AC7118 Rev A. A summarized presentation titled “NCR Analysis - October 2009” will be posted on eAuditNet under Resources - Documents - Public Documents - Composites.

3.0 METRICS (OPEN)The Composite Task Group Metrics for Supplier, Staff Engineer and Task Group Initial and Reaccreditation Cycle Time, Supplier Merit and Subscribing Member Balloting were reviewed.

Total Supplier Cycle Time - Initial Audits - Goal is 25. Actual is 34.

Total Supplier Cycle Time, Reaccreditation Audits – Goal is 25, Actual is 21.

Total Staff Engineer Cycle Time, Initial – Goal is 15, Actual is 24.

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Total Staff Engineer Cycle Time, Reaccreditation Audits – Goal is 15, Actual is 10.

Total Task Group Cycle Time, Initial Audits – Goal is 8, Actual is 17.

Total Task Group Cycle Time, Reaccreditation Audits – Goal is 8, Actual is 8.

Supplier Merit – Goal is to have 80% of Eligible Suppliers on Merit, Actual is 89%.

4.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT (OPEN)

The SSC update was presented, including the mission and purpose of this committee. An update was given on the activities of the Metrics Team, 2009 Supplier Survey Team and the Supplier Tutorial Team. Additional Ad Hoc activities of the SSC include ITAR/EAR, Nadcap checklist guidelines and 2009-2012 vision. Further details on these topics can be reviewed in the attached SSC Report.

The minutes from the SSC meeting conducted on Tuesday will be available on www.pri-network.org.

ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to run data to determine if there is any correlation between Supplier attendance at Nadcap meetings with audit performance. Include this data in supplier symposium letter and circulate to Subscribing Members. (DUE DATE: 25-Nov-09)

5.0 PROCEDURE REVIEW (OPEN)

NOP-008 – Supplier Merit Program and NOP-011 – Audit Failure Process procedures were reviewed and specific items were highlighted. Please see the attached presentation for details.

The Composite specific criteria for Failure Mode B - Excessive Number of NCRs has been revised and will be effective on audits conducted on or after 4 October 2009.

All procedures can be found on eAuditNet under Resources - Documents - Nadcap Procedures.

6.0 ACTION ITEM REPORT-OUT (OPEN)Action Item StatusOctober 2007 Action Item #1 - ClosedJuly 2008 Action Item #4 - Open - Issue the first Composite Newsletter before the February 2010 meeting. - Due date is 02-Feb-10

October 2008 Action Item #8 - ClosedFebruary 2009 Action Item #5 - ClosedFebruary 2009 Action Items #6 - Open - Due date is 02-Feb-10

February 2009 Action Item #9 - ClosedFebruary 2009 Action Item #15 - Open - Due date is 02-Feb-10

July 2009 Action Item #1 - On-GoingJuly 2009 Action Items #2 - #13 - Closed

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7.0 BALLOT COMMENT RESOLUTION - AC7118 REV B (OPEN)

All Comments that were received were reviewed and resolved. All comments and resulting resolution can be found in the above document. The AC7118 Rev B will be sent for ballot again.

Major changes included:Allow forming of core in non EMA/CCA if vacuum bagged prior to removal from EMA/CCA.

Motion was made to remove timers from 15a.7.11 thus not requiring calibration. Motion passed overwhelmingly.

Allow ‘demonstration parts’ as a 4th option for a job audit. This may be needed for a supplier that wants to maintain accreditation while waiting for award of a quote. TG defined a Demonstration Part as follows: ‘Non production Aerospace part that demonstrates compliance to the audit criteria within the scope of AC7118.’ This definition will be located in the Audit Handbook.

In the event that demonstration parts are used to meet the 50% job audit criteria, supplier merit may be impacted.

Removed requirement for a procedure to control expendable materials. Retained, “Is the supplier using the correct expendables and controlling them?”

ACTION ITEM: Angelina Mendoza [Lead], Anne Stanley, Miguel Gerdel, Kevin Dowling and Severine Guitton to come up with definitions for Tools and Shop Aids. (DUE DATE, 18-Dec-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to reflect all changes from “xx”.a job audits to “xx”.b job audits in AC7118 Rev B. (DUE DATE, 30-Oct-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to remove statement: Thermal profile not necessary from AH in 7.6.1. (DUE DATE, 30-Oct-09)

ACTION ITEM: Lance Loeks to send clarification that supports question of checking/reviewing temp logs/records to PRI. (DUE DATE: 30-Oct-09)

8.0 NTGOP APPENDIX 14 ANNUAL REVIEW (OPEN)This agenda item was tabled and will be dealt with via a conference call.

9.0 AC7122 FOR AC7118 SUPPLIERS (OPEN)

The Composites Task Group was approached and asked to discuss how the AC7118 can be modified to allow the identification of testing capabilities. The current structure of the AC7118 does not identify a specific test method or test code capability but it does loosely audit the captive laboratory. Four options were discussed and are detailed below.

A restructure of the AC7122 will be necessary regardless of the direction the Task Group decides to go in. There will be a slash sheet for each test type, similar to MTL AC7101, rather than the current method where each slash sheet represents a different material type. Slash sheets for AC7122 will be: /1= mechanical, /2= physical, /3= chemical, /4=thermal/analytical, /5=fire. All job audits in the AC7122/1 and /2 will remain as they are currently written but will be moved into the respective slash sheets. This modification will be balloted in the next ballot cycle of the AC7122 documents.

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Option 1AC7118 remains as is with sections 10 and 23 remaining. An N/A will be added for sections 10 and 23 when a Supplier has AC7122/6 accreditation. Test portions will be removed from AC7124.

AC7122 slash sheets will be: /1= mechanical, /2= physical, /3= chemical, /4=thermal/analytical, /5=fire, /6= Part manufacturing testing labs, /7-Raw Material Manufacturing Testing labs. Different test codes will exist for Independent Labs (the currently test codes will be used), Part Manufacturing Labs (a.1.1, a.1.2, etc.) and Raw Material Manufacturing Labs (aa.1.1, aa.1.2, etc.). The same job audits will be used. Only the test codes will be different to allow unique identification of an Independent Test Lab, Part Manufacturing Lab or Raw Material Manufacturing Lab.

Option 2AC7118 remains as is with sections 10 and 23 remaining. An N/A will be added for sections 10 and 23 when a Supplier has AC7122 accreditation. Test portions will be removed from AC7124.

A set of different test codes will be created to allow unique identification of a Part Manufacturing Lab. AC7122 would be used to accredit Independent Test Labs and Raw Material Manufacturing Labs.

Option 3AC7118 existing job audits in section 23 will be expanded by adding additional, slightly more specific questions. Section 10 will include a tabled list of test codes. Only assign a test code to show capability. Actual test standard/customer specification audited will be listed in job audit details.

A set of different test codes will be created to allow unique identification of a Part Manufacturing Lab. AC7122 would be used to accredit Independent Test Labs and Raw Material Manufacturing Labs.

Option 4Duplicate the AC7122/1, etc. job audits into an appendix of AC7118 (can also title the appendix TEST). Suppliers will be certified to AC7118 and the created appendix with the test codes that are already defined in AC7122.

ACTION ITEM: All Subscribing Members to determine what option is best for your company and respond to email that was circulated by PRI Staff. (DUE DATE, 30-Nov-09)

10.0 COMPRESSION MOLDING SCOPE ADDITION (OPEN)

TG reviewed topic and decided to go forward with development of hot compression molding scope to be included with AC7118 Rev C. AC7118 Rev B will be released first and then the revisions necessary for the addition of Compression Molding will begin.

Topic will be included in agenda for February 2010 meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Tara Campbell [Lead], Andreas Mastorakis, Lance Loeks, Pete Atwell and John Key to set up telecom to discuss addition of compression molding to AC7118. (DUE DATE, 18-Dec-09)

11.0 NEXT STEPS FOR AC7118 (OPEN)

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The AC7118 Rev B will be released before the scope of Compression Molding will be added and AC7118 Rev C balloted. Discussions need to take place and decisions need to be made before an estimated timeline can be projected for the implementation of the testing changes.

12.0 OPEN DISCUSSION (OPEN)Brief discussion regarding what should be included in Miscellaneous Bonding Scope i.e. potting, edge sealing, adhesives vs. potting compounds, prep to paint, etc. No resolution was reached but a team has been assigned to better define the scope of Miscellaneous Bonding.

A Supplier Symposium will be held at each Nadcap meeting in 2010. Topics that will be included are:

General Overview of the AC7118 and the associated Audit Handbook

How to prepare for AC7118 audit – Supplier Perspective

o Value of pre-assessment

EMA vs. CCA

How to become a voting member and how to maintain voting status

Audit timing and costs

Structure of an audit

Examples of Good and Bad NCR responses

Procedure review

o Supplier Merit

o Supplier Advisories

o Audit Failure

How Subscribing Members react to Audit Failure Notifications

Lance Loeks gave a presentation regarding what NCR’s may have ‘Product Impact’. A list of examples was provided.

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Dowling [Lead], Miguel Gerdel, Dave Kimber and Marty Couey to look at Miscellaneous bonding and what processes should be included e.g. potting, edge sealing, adhesives vs. potting compounds, prep to paint, etc. (DUE DATE, 11-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff - Supplier Symposium Preparation - Create presentations for General Overview of AC7118 and the associated Audit Handbook, Voting Membership, Audit timing and cost and Procedure Review. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Tara Campbell [Lead] and Angelina Mendoza - Supplier Symposium Preparation - How Subscribing Members deal with failure criteria. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Dowling - Supplier Symposium Preparation - Review and update existing EMA Training presentation. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Dave Kimber - Supplier Symposium Preparation - Review and update Supplier Perspective. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Mike Bemis and Pete Atwell - Supplier Symposium Preparation - Good and bad examples of NCR responses. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Harry Coffee - Supplier Symposium Preparation - Audit structure and audit prep i.e. available work. (DUE DATE, 18-Jan-10)

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0.0 CLOSED MEETINGLance Loeks gave a presentation regarding what NCR’s may have ‘Product Impact’. A list of examples was provided. See attached presentation above.

Observation audits were discussed. It was agreed that each Subscribing Member should perform at least one oversight audit a year. eAuditNet can be used to pull a list of audits based on a number of criteria such as Auditor, Country, State and Date. Any Subscribing Member wanting to observe an audit is to contact the applicable scheduling department. This is to allow PRI to notify all parties involved and also to ensure the Supplier agrees to have their audit observed. It is expected that an observer would attend all days of the scheduled audit.

Staff Engineer Delegation status was reviewed and Delegation was maintained for the Composite Staff Engineer, Rebekah Braun.

In order to move forward in approving the Composite Staff Engineer to be a Composite Auditor, further information needs to be gathered in regards to how other commodities approach this approval and what actions are taken when there is only one Staff Engineer. Does that Staff Engineer conduct and review the same audit?

ACTION ITEM: Lance Loeks [Lead], Mike Bemis, Jeff Conrad and Tara Campbell to put together a proposal for Task Group expectations of observation audits. Bring proposal to February Nadcap meeting. (DUE DATE, 22-Feb-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to post Continual Improvement Form on PRI website under COMP public documents. (DUE DATE, 13-Nov-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send Auditor Advisory to clarify Audit Handbook details for a documented test procedure (AC7118 paragraph 10.1.2) and clarification on what to do when conducting a VCA. (DUE DATE, 13-Nov-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to find out what other commodities require of their Staff Engineer to obtain auditor status. (DUE DATE, 22-Feb-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send AC7118 rev B out for ballot again. (DUE DATE, 30-Oct-09)

ACTION ITEM: Lance Loeks to add necessary clarification to the examples of Minor, Major and Product Impact. (DUE DATE, 14-Jan-09)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to add the examples of Minor, Major and Product Impact (along with clarifications) into the Audit Handbook. (DUE DATE, 17-Jan-09)

13.0 MEETING CLOSE-OUT (OPEN)The next Nadcap meeting is scheduled for 22 - 26 February 2010 in Rome, Italy. Only the AC7118 and AC7122 will be discussed. There will be no agenda topics for AC7124. This meeting will not count for or against those Voting Members who only participate in AC7124 development. The formal agenda will be developed, distributed and will be available on www.pri-network.org.

ADJOURNMENT – 21-Oct-09 – The Composite Task Group (AC7118) portion of the meeting was adjourned at 5:00 p.m.

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS (OPEN)1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Non Metallic Materials Testing (NMMT) Sub Group was called to order at 8:15 am, 22-Oct-09.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBING MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portions of the meeting.

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A quorum was established with the representatives in attendance, listed above.

1.2 Code of Ethics and Conflict of Information Policy was presented by the Task Group Chair for all Nadcap attendees. This information is also available in the Nadcap Attendees Guide.

1.3 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

Motion was put forth to accept minutes from July 2009 meeting. Minutes were accepted with no changes. All meeting minutes will be available on the PRI web site at www.pri-network.org.

1.4 Review of Meeting Agenda

The Staff Engineer (Rebekah Braun) presented the agenda for the NMMT Sub Group for this week.

2.0 STAFF REPORT

Items of interest since the July 2009 meeting were reviewed in addition to 2009 audit projections and current Auditor status.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to schedule interview with Jose Barral for AC7124. (DUE DATE, 15-Jan-09)

3.0 ACTION ITEM REPORT-OUT (OPEN)Action Item StatusOctober 2008 Action Item #17 - OpenOctober 2008 Action Item #18 - OpenOctober 2008 Action Item #21 - OpenOctober 2008 Action Item #22 - OpenFebruary 2009 Action Item #1 - OpenJuly 2009 Action Item #1 - #3 - Closed

4.0 BALLOT COMMENT RESOLUTION (OPEN)The AC7122 documents were not balloted since the last Nadcap meeting. The AC7122, AC7122/1 and AC7122/2 will be restructured as detailed below and re-balloted:

AC7122 - General Requirements

AC7122/1 - Mechanical Testing

AC7122/2 - Physical Testing

AC7122/3 - Chemical Testing

AC7122/4 - Thermal/Analytical Testing

AC7122/5 - Fire Testing

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to look for flammability figures for section 9 of 'old' AC7122/1 and place in section 9 of AH7122. (DUE DATE, 13-Nov-09)

5.0 AC7122 FOR AC7118 AND AC7124 (OPEN)Please see the Composite Task Group section #9 above for all details.

6.0 IPT REVIEW

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The data analysis was completed for the Second IPT conducted by the NMMT Sub-Group. Twenty labs participated: Five prepreg suppliers, ten Independent labs, five captive part manufacturers’ labs. Mike Bemis will email IPT results to all participating labs along with the number identifying their labs. He will also request clarification of those that did not follow instructions correctly and the two labs that did not meet spec limits.

7.0 OPEN DISCUSSION (OPEN)No further topics were brought forward during open discussion.

0.0 CLOSED MEETINGThe Task Group discussed the difficulty in finding a Supplier to volunteer to participate in the first AC7124 Pilot Audit. One Supplier located in the UK was identified and approached to participate in a pilot audit the week of 1 March 2010, immediately following February 2010 meeting in Rome. Another Supplier located in the Americas will be approached again to determine if first quarter 2010 would be a possibility for another Pilot Audit.

8.0 MEETING CLOSE-OUT (OPEN)The next Nadcap meeting is scheduled for 22 - 26 February 2010 in Rome, Italy. Only the AC7118 and AC7122 will be discussed. There will be no agenda topics for AC7124. This meeting will not count for or against those Voting Members who only participate in AC7124 development. The formal agenda will be developed, distributed and will be available on www.pri-network.org.

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