wikileaks and the perils of extreme glasnost
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EVGENY MOROZOV n ERIC SCHMIDT AND JARED COHEN
HILLARY CLINTON n BERNARD KOUCHNER
JULIAN ASSANGE n ABDULLAH GUL
WikiLeaks and theNew Language ofDiplomacy
Is Internet freedom an absolute, universal value like freedom of speech? If there
are limits, how and by whom can they be established? Is crying fire or scaling
firewalls anymore acceptable in cyberspace than in physical space? What is the
impact on the discourse between nations, cultures and individuals?
In this section, we gather a collage of comments from various key players from
Google to Wikileaks to the US State Department along with comments by one of
the most cogent analysts of the Net and the president of Turkey.
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WikiLeaks and the Perils of Extreme Glasnost
EVGENY MOROZOV, a visiting scholar at Stanford University, is the author of Net
Delusion: How Not to Liberate the World. He spoke with NPQ editor Nathan Gardels in
December about the implications of WikiLeaks.
NPQ | The most recent WikiLeaks cache is not your father’s Pentagon
Papers. Like a neutron bomb of the information age, it has indiscriminately
destroyed good diplomacy and duplicity alike across a broad spectrum of polit-
ical cultures.
Should there be limits to the kind of extreme glasnost represented by
WikiLeaks? If so, by what criteria do we responsibly draw them?
EVGENY MOROZOV | The more I learn about Julian Assange’s philosophy,
the more I come to believe that he is not really rooting to destroy secrecy or make
transparency the primary good in social relations. His is a fairly conventional—even
if a bit odd—political quest for “justice.”
As far as I can understand Assange’s theory—and I don’t think that it’s terribly
coherent or well thought out—he believes that one way to achieve justice is to min-
imize the power of governments to do things that their citizens do not know of and
may not approve of if they do. There is nothing in this theory that heralds the end of
secrecy across the entire social spectrum: Citizens, at least nominally, are entitled to
go about their own business; it’s the government that is the main target.
Here we mustn’t forget that Assange made a name for himself in computer cir-
cles by being one of the key developers of a software application that helped
users—and particularly human rights activists in authoritarian regimes—to
encrypt and protect their data from the eyes of the authorities. So I don’t think that
Assange opposes “secrecy” altogether; for him, it’s really all about keeping the gov-
ernment in check.
Frankly, I don’t know to what extent he had a chance to really come up with a
theory about the role that secrecy plays in international relations and diplomacy. Even
if he had read all the cables, he would need to know the world much more intimately
than the CIA to really assess the impact of the planned release. For example, it’s very
tough to predict whether such files would trigger a war in the Caucasus without
knowing the politics of Armenia and Azerbaijan....
So while we can continue trying to understand the limits of “publicness” in diplo-
macy, I am not sure that Assange would disagree with us on any of this. It just so hap-
pens that he has a vision for changing the world and he believes that, if implemented,
this vision might dwarf all these current harms to diplomacy.
I don’t think that Assange
opposes “secrecy” altogether;
for him, it’s really all about
keeping the government
in check.
Only if we, or he himself, knew his theoretical template of a totally free infor-
mation society could we then draw limits on what is acceptable or not.
NPQ | What is the likely geopolitical outcome down the road from this lat-
est WikiLeaks episode?
Will it pit not only more closed societies against open societies, but also open
societies with secrets against the extreme glasnostics—a kind of three-tiered
clash of information cultures?
In the end, will it make closed societies more open and open societies more
closed? Or, will it make everyone more closed?
MOROZOV | I think it will be intelligence gathering—and especially intelli-
gence sharing—rather than diplomacy per se that would suffer the most. The reason
why the current batch of cables got released in the first place was lax security; with a
few million people having access to these files, it’s really surprising that it took so
many years for someone like Bradley Manning to actually release them to Assange.
But this could have happened even before WikiLeaks took off the ground a few years
ago; these cables may have just been sent to the Guardian or El Pais directly. So in all
likelihood we’ll see a more granular approach to setting permissions as to who gets
access to what kind of data. Ambassadors will keep talking.
This, however, is not the most interesting geopolitical aspect to the WikiLeaks
story. What I found most interesting in the days after the files were released was the
pressure that various American and some European politicians tried to exert on vari-
ous Internet intermediaries that were offering their services to WikiLeaks. Some of
those efforts paid off—with Amazon and PayPal dropping WikiLeaks as a client. This,
of course, looks very suspicious to many computer geeks, who are already often very
suspicious of governments.
What I think might happen is that WikiLeaks and Assange in particular will
emerge as leaders of a new political “geek” movement that would be built on the prin-
ciples of absolute “Internet freedom,” transparency, very permissive copyright law,
and so on. This movement has already been brewing globally—especially in Europe,
where various local cells of the Pirate Party have proved remarkably strong. It’s quite
possible that the “hunt for WikiLeaks” would further radicalize young people and
make them join the fight for the “Free Internet,” however they choose to interpret it.
This may be wonderful news—especially if they renounce violence and start
participating in mainstream politics instead, thus becoming something of a digital
equivalent to the Green Movement in Europe. The other option, alas, is far less
amenable: It’s possible that if Assange is really treated badly and unjustly by the
authorities—and possibly even tried like a “terrorist” as some prominent US politicians
What I think might hap-
pen is that WikiLeaks
and Assange in particular
will emerge as leaders of
a new political “geek”
movement that would be
built on the principles of
absolute “Internet free-
dom” and transparency.
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have suggested—this would nudge the movement toward violent forms of resist-
ance. Given that many of these people are tech-literate and that more and more of
our public infrastructure is digital, this could be a significant impediment to the
growth of the global economy: Just think of the potential losses if Visa and
MasterCard cannot process online payments because of some mysterious cyber-
attacks on their servers.
Whichever way things go, I think it’s pretty obvious that the US government’s
ability to use the Internet to accomplish anything on its foreign policy agenda has been
severely damaged.
The rather aggressive manner in which pundits and politicians in Washington have
reacted to the release of the cables would make many otherwise staunch supporters
of the “Internet freedom” policy reconsider their attitudes towards the US.
I don’t know about the likely impact on Russia, China and some other states that
some like to call “closed.” The reason why the cables made so much noise in America
is because everyone expects America to behave—and it has the nominally free press
and the vibrant civil society that allow Assange’s accusations to stay in the game for at
least a week. I don’t think that this would necessarily be the case in Russia, where both
the media and the civil society are tightly controlled by the Kremlin (and the Internet
might soon be, too), while everyone’s expectations of government corruption are
already so high that few cables could worsen it.
Also, as we have seen in the Middle East, many governments have no qualms
about blocking access to WikiLeaks and preventing their media from covering the
story; it’s hard to say whether it’s as much of a salient issue with the elites in China
as it is with the elites in the US. In short, it’s the democratic states that are going to
suffer the most from WikiLeaks-style forced transparency.
NPQ | How does the US pursuit of Assange stack up with the view Hillary
Clinton espoused a year ago at the Newseum in Washington that Internet free-
dom is our “national brand”?
MOROZOV | It’s inconceivable that on the one-year anniversary of her talk
that Hillary Clinton would be able to deliver a speech on Internet freedom as
pompous and starry-eyed as she did in January 2010. I never believed that Clinton
actually very much pondered the implications and the assumptions implicit in her
stance on “Internet freedom.”
The reality is that even before WikiLeaks, the focus of the domestic Internet
debate was all about demanding more control of it—whether it’s to track Internet
pirates or cyber-terrorists or cyber-bullies. However, in the context of foreign pol-
icy, the debate is somehow always about “Internet freedom” and opposing the
Just think of the potential
losses if Visa and MasterCard
cannot process online pay-
ments because of some
mysterious cyber-attacks
on their servers.
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greater Internet control by the likes of China and Iran—all of it as if these other
governments are somehow doing something that America itself is not doing in the
domestic context.
Some of this may simply have to do with the widespread Western tendency to
glamorize the Internet in authoritarian countries—and especially Internet users—
many of whom are often imagined as some kind of digital equivalents of Andrei
Sakharov, when they are just regular blokes streaming kinky videos from YouTube.
The WikiLeaks saga has brought many of these contradictions into sharper con-
text, but they were already clearly visible before. Before he achieved fame, Assange
was already surrounded by some very, very smart technologists—and now he has
many more admirers in the tech world. To the extent to which Clinton’s Internet-
freedom agenda relies on their coding skills and brains to produce effective anti-
censorship tools that can work in Iran and China, I think it’s in the State Department’s
best interest not to make the kind of irresponsible and aggressive statements it has
been making about Assange so far.
Personally, I don’t think that the Internet should be treated like some sacred cow
that should defy all regulation. All of this will become clear to politicians (and hope-
fully even to some geek activists) once the next genocide in some remote Third World
country is perpetrated by folks armed with GPS-equipped smartphones that also
enable them to listen to incendiary messages on the local radio. I’m sure that this
would be the moment when many decision-makers would regret not having some
kind of a “kill switch” over the Internet. Maybe this won’t happen—and maybe a “kill
switch” is impossible; or maybe it would undermine human progress so much that the
genocide is a risk we would be forced to accept. But I do think that it’s an important
debate that needs to be had rather than be settled in some talk of the absolute univer-
sal principle of “Internet freedom,” as for example Bernard Kouchner did when he
was French foreign minister.
NPQ | Finally, when speaking of limits on information, do you see a concep-
tual link with the controversy swirling around Facebook for, as some charge, ped-
dling private information under the mantle of social networking?
MOROZOV | Well, there is a great irony in the fact that the very same people
who so loudly demand open governments are often also the ones who value their pri-
vacy and hate to be tracked, even if tracking is relatively innocuous. It is really no con-
solation to anyone that the power of groups like WikiLeaks to challenge the state is
increasingly matched by the power of the state to keep track of what its citizens are
doing, either by gathering all of this data on their own or by simply contracting out
to a myriad of small and nimble data-mining agencies.
The Internet should not be
treated like some sacred cow
that should defy all regulation.
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The latter option bothers me especially because it’s far less monitored or
understood by the public: We all get scared when we find out that the government
knows what we browse online—but we are far less concerned about some private
company knowing this. The question we rarely ask is: Why assume that the govern-
ment won’t simply purchase this data from the private sector rather than compile it
on its own?
This only proves that the Internet can have both an empowering and a disempow-
ering effect on democratization—often even simultaneously. I am not sure if Assange
and his associates actually grasp the fact that the only effective way to rein in the
excesses of Facebook and Google when it comes to data protection is to have a strong
government that can act decisively and autonomously. It’s also possible, of course, to
simply find enough leaks about both companies and ruin them by disclosing their
financial statements a quarter too early—but this won’t be a very responsible move.
What is still not clear to me is how exactly WikiLeaks would be able to reconcile the
need for a strong state to defend citizens’ privacy with its desire to minimize the
power of the state by weakening its ability to profit from secrecy.
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There is a great irony in
the fact that the very same
people who so loudly
demand open governments
are often also the ones
who value their privacy
and hate to be tracked.
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