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Psychotherapy is dialogue or it is not psychotherapy The personal and political challenge of being a person-centered psychotherapist Peter F. Schmid Institute for Person-Centered Studies, Austria Sigmund Freud University, Vienna Saybrook Graduate School, San Francisco 7th PCE World Conference, Potsdam, July 13, 2006

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Psychotherapy is dialogue

or it is not psychotherapy

The personal and political challenge

of being a person-centered psychotherapist

Peter F. SchmidInstitute for Person-Centered Studies, Austria

Sigmund Freud University, Vienna

Saybrook Graduate School, San Francisco

7th PCE World Conference, Potsdam, July 13, 2006

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What we have in common

is that we are all different from each other.

Proverb

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The second grip

pre-hensile hand

ap-prehend

com-prehend

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The trap of understanding

NEW = OLD + DIFFERENCE

THE OTHER = I + DIFFERENCE

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Facing the otherness

THE OTHER = ESSENTIALLY DIFFERENT,

NOT-I

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The Challenge of the Other

Towards Dialogic Psychotherapy & Counselling

I. Alterity:

The need for a genuinely pc epistemology

II. Dialogue:

The occurrence of the original We

III. Co-presence:

The essential dialogical nature of therapy

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I. Alterity:

The need for a pc epistemology

… a theory of understanding

that is congruent with our experience in

therapy …

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Cogito …

ap-prehend: * ad

com-prehend: * cum

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Cogito …

ap-prehend: * ad

com-prehend: * con

con-cept: * con+capere (“to take”)

term: * terminus (“boundary stone, finishing post”)

… the trap of the same

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Epistemology of transcendence

Ulysses

homecoming

TOTALITY

sameness

I - THOU

egology

Abraham

mouvement sans

retour

INFINITY

otherness

THOU - I

alterity

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What we have in common

is that we are all different from each other.

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Epistemology of transcendence

As a consequence of the paradigm change

from egology to alterity,

as opposed to the epistemology

of understanding oneself by oneself,

we need an epistemology of dialogue.

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The Challenge of the Other

Towards Dialogic Psychotherapy & Counselling

I. Alterity:

The need for a genuinely pc epistemology

II. Dialogue:

The occurrence of the original We

III. Co-presence:

The essential dialogical nature of therapy

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“dialogue”

mutual conversation, interchange in talking,

discourse

* Greek “dia-legein”

to put something apart by thinking over it

(legein = pick up, gather, collect; talk, speak)

II. Dialogue:

The occurrence of the original

We

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Dialogueconventional meaning

“dialogue”

= human conversation face to face,

mutual exchange,

message and contradiction

symmetry and equality

a meeting of the one with the other

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Dialogue

Martin Buber

Interpersonality Dialogue

“The sphere of the interpersonal

is the opposite-to-each-other;

its unfolding is what we call

dialogue.”

Buber, 1948

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Dialogue

Emmanuel Levinas

where transcendence happens

of original im-media-cy

not a consequence of experience

primary occurence

original sociality occurs in

dialogue

dissymetric:

The other comes first

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Dialogue

Emmanuel Levinas

Dialogue Interpersonality

“It is precisely because the Thou

is absolutely different from the I

that there is - from the one to the

other - dialogue.”

Levinas, 1981

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Dialogue

Emmanuel Levinas

Subject:

“I am sub-jected to the Other.”

Levinas, 1986

Subjectivity itself is relational.

Subjectivity is I-for-Thou.

Substantiality and relationality

coincide.

Subjectivity is Being-for-the-Other.

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Dialogue

Emmanuel Levinas

Solidarity is a basic human

condition.

It means to say: “Here I am.”

The dissymmetry is the origin

of ethics.

The I is constituted by his/her

responsibility to the call of the

Other.

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Dialogue

Self-consciousness dialogue

Dialogue self-consciousness

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Dialogue

The human person is dialogue.

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The Challenge of the Other

Towards Dialogic Psychotherapy & Counselling

I. Alterity:

The need for a genuinely pc epistemology

II. Dialogue:

The occurrence of the original We

III. Co-presence:

The essential dialogical nature of therapy

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III. Co-presence:

The essential dialogical nature of

therapy

Psychotherapy:

the challenge to deal with the contradictory

phenomena of togetherness and separateness.

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What does dialogue in therapy

actually mean?

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Therapy as dialogue ?

Martin BuberHans Trüb, Ludwig Binwanger,

Viktor von Weizsäcker, Rollo May, Irving Yalom,

James Bugental, Carl Rogers:

Existential and humanistic therapies

Intersubjective psychoanalysis

(interplay of transference-countertransference liaison …)

Systemic therapies (negotiating …)

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Therapy as dialogue ?

PCT

W. Pfeiffer: therapy as a basically dialogic process

R. van Balen: Rogers’ development towards dialogue

D. Brazier: the person is other-oriented, not self-oriented

Bohart & Tallman: therapy as co-constructive dialogue

D. Mearns: dialogical model of the Self

Mearns & Cooper: meeting at relational depth

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Therapy as dialogue?

The persons engaged in therapy are dialogue.

Dialog is in the very beginning of therapy.

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Therapy as dialogue?

Psychotherapy dialogue

Dialogue psychotherapy

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Therapy as realization of the fundamental We

Therapeutic dialogue is not about making

community,

it is about realizing the preceding We.

To encounter a person is to realize

to be in dialogue.

Psychotherapy substantially is dialogue.

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Therapy as realization of the fundamental We

The therapeutic is the transcendence of the

same.

“Here I am.” (Presence)

In the beginning there is dialogue.

This is a political statement.

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A political statement

To be existentially challenged as a professional

and as a person.

To resist problem- and solution-centeredness.

To avoid the trap of the customary politics of

the helping professions.

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Psychotherapy is dialogue

or it is not psychotherapy.

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Therapy as realization of the fundamental We

In the beginning there is dialogue.

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