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MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIESOCTOBER 2010

UNCONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 18 – 21, 2010

PITTSBURGH MARRIOT CITY CENTERPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2010 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 21, 2010

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – CLOSED

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTLTG) was called to order at 8:04 a.m., 19-Oct-10.

It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

The MTLTG reviewed the Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members /Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Tim Myers Honeywell Aerospace Vice-Chairperson* Verl Wisehart Rolls-Royce Corp. Chairperson* Muriel Auzanne Airbus* William Barnett Bell Helicopter Textron* Eric Billings 309th Maintenance Wing-Hill

AFB* Pietro Bonarrigo Bombardier Inc.* Georges Coste SAFRAN Group* Doug Deaton GE Aviation* George Doviak Goodrich Corporation* Kevin Elston Spirit AeroSystems Inc.* Jim Hartman Honeywell Aerospace

Tim Hayes General Dynamics Corp.Bob Hensley Triumph Actuation Systems

* John Knie The Boeing Company* Frank Lennert The Boeing Company

Jeremy Phillips Cessna Aircraft Co.* Christian Schwaminger MTU Aero Engines GmbH

Armen Talverdian The Boeing Company* Amanda Thomas Raytheon Co.* Neil Tinsley Pratt & Whitney

Michael Walker Spirit AeroSystems Inc.

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Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Frank Anderson The M&P Lab Inc.Rich Balamut NSL Analytical Services Inc.

* Corwyn Berger Exova Inc., Chicago Laboratory

Robert Casey Wyman-Gordon Forgings* John Chir Latrobe Specialty Steel

CompanyKevin Cook ATI Wah ChangMark Cook Haynes International Inc.Julien Corato Exova

* Deena Crossmore IMR Test LabsRobin Davenport Howmet Castings Dover AlloyPrabir Deb Peco Aerospace Fasteners

Co. Inc.* Eric Dirats Dirats Laboratories

Rich Drinker SPS Technologies* Bryan Engel ESCO Turbine Technologies-

SyracuseDawn Fechtel Metaltest Inc.Kay Fisher Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co.

KG* Deborah Frick Sherry Laboratories of

Indiana LLCDavid Fluck Haynes International Inc.Stephanie Graham Haynes International Inc.Stephan Greimers Thyssen Krupp VDM GmbH

* Brian Griffin Howmet Research Corp.Kevin Holland NSL Central Testing LLCDon Huffman Lisi Aerospace TorranceStephen Johnson GSC - Steel PlantAnil Joshi NSL Analytical Services Inc.Steven Keck Carpenter Technology Corp.Dennis Kidd Cincinnati Testing Labs Inc.Natalie Koon Haynes International Inc.Chad Kuhn Alcan Rolled Products-

RavenswoodSelena Lindsey ATI Wah Chang

* John Low Timet* David Luoni STORK-MMA Testing

Laboratories Inc.Larry Lyons Product Evaluation Systems

Inc.* Blaine Maki Metaltest Inc.

Mike Markley Haynes International Inc.Giuseppe Marzano Haley Industries LtdWalter Moorehead Product Evaluation Systems

Inc.Chris Napoli Allegheny Ludlum

* Annette O’Connell Haynes International Inc.* Jacob Padrul Alcan Rhenalu - Issoire Plant

Jeff Payne ATI Wah Chang* Frank Peszka Laboratory Testing Inc.

Ioan Preda Lisi Aerospace TorranceMichael Quann Pacific Metallurgical Inc.

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James Rauckhorst Tensile Testing Metallurgical Lab

Mark Richeson Haynes International Inc.* James Rossi Westmoreland Mechanical

TestingWilliam Rubush Haynes International Inc.Chrisitan Ruppel Special Metals Corp.

* Byron Skillings Ladish ForgingJeffry Smith Stork Herron Testing

LaboratoriesLarry Somrack NSL Analytical Services Inc.Michael Snyder Special Metals Corp.John Thomas Timet

* T. Rao Tipirneni Long Island Testing Labs Inc.Jennifer Tret Sherry Laboratories of

Indiana LLCNatia Turmanidze Monadnock Co.

* Kevin VonScio Perryman Co.Edward Warter Carmel-Forge LtdDavid Watters Huntington Alloys a Special

Metals Co.Tiffany Waymer ATI AllvacBryon White STORK-MMA Testing

Laboratories Inc.* Margaret Willis Allvac Monroe

Jason Wright Metals Technology Inc.Frank Worpenberg Mar-Test, Inc.

PRI Staff Present

Jennifer

Kornrumpf

Kevin Wetzel

1.2 New Voting Members

John Knie of The Boeing Company was voted in as an Alternate Subscriber Voting MemberMotion made by Frank Lennert and seconded by Verl Wisehart to accept John Knie as an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.

Amanda Thomas of Raytheon Co. was voted in as a Subscriber Voting Member. (Amanda will replace Barbara Waller as Raytheon Co. Subscriber voting member.) Motion made by Christian Schwaminger and seconded by Frank Lennert to accept Amanda Thomas as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.

2.0 MEETING ISSUES – CLOSED

Subscribers reviewed proposal to change AC7101/3; to remove certain test methods which were seldom used or 100% audited by Subscribers. Will be further discussed in Open meeting.

Established a “MTL TG Question Sub-Team” per checklist for audit report reviewers question Discussed Proficiency Testing comments from Auditors relative to the AC7101/1 revision. Initiated discussion for Auditors to use AC7108/4. (From Muriel, possible MOU with Chemical

Processing) Particle size analysis proposed to be added to AC7101/2. Verl Wisehart will lead this effort.

3.0 OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – OPEN

3.1 New Voting Members

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Kevin VonScio of The Perryman Co. was voted in as a Supplier Voting Member.Motion made by Verl Wisehart and seconded by John Low to accept Kevin VonScio as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion Passed.

T. Rao Tipirneni of Long Island Testing Labs Inc. was voted in as a Supplier Voting Member.Motion made by Doug Deaton and seconded by Neil Tinsley to accept T. Rao Tipirneni as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion Passed.

3.2 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

Motion made by John Low, second by Christian Schwaminger to approve the minutes from the June 2010 Nadcap meeting. Motion Passed.

4.0 Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap Policies and Procedures.

5.0 MTL PROGRAM STATUS – NMC METRICS – OPEN

Kevin Wetzel presented a summary of the recent audit activity. The MTLTG had zero lapsed accreditations for the months of August/September. For August RED metrics were identified for Supplier Initial and Reaccreditation cycle time, both cycle times were 36 days on a goal of 30 days. RED was identified for Staff Initial cycle time 17 days on a goal of 14 days. For September RED metrics were identified for Supplier Initial and Reaccreditation cycle time, 36/37 days respectively on a goal of 30 days. YELLOW was identified for Staff Initial cycle time 16 days on a goal of 14 days. Review the following attachments for more details.

6.0 REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPEN

The RAIL captures action items and tracks the close out of these items. The majority of action items are from the meetings, with some coming from teleconferences and emails. The MTLTG reviewed all open action items on the RAIL.

For specific details, please see the current Materials Testing Laboratories Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.

7.0 REVIEW MTL AUDITOR CONFERENCE CONDUCTED 2010 – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed the topics discussed during Auditor Conference, which included:

Review of MTLTG Auditor Advisories

Sub-Team Presentation on changes to the revised checklists Top paragraphs referenced in NCR’s

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Welding TG Requirements of AC7110/13S Electrolytic Etching ASTME409 , ASTMA262 Auditor access to industry specifications – IHS Standards Expert ISO/IEC17025 and how it differs from AS9100

8.0 REVIEW STATUS MTL DOCUMENTS/AC – OPEN

AC7101/1 – Breakout session scheduled; completed comment resolution and Table 1 for RR/PT.

AC7101/2 – is ready for NMC ballot.

AC7101/3 – Breakout session scheduled; completed comment resolution for the four sections of the checklist that were balloted.





AC7101/8 – is in effect currently.


AC7101/11 – is a stand-alone checklist, and is not connected to AC7101. The Checklist Sub-Team consisting of Doug Deaton, Frank Lennert, Christian Schwaminger, and Corwyn Berger will work on the audit criteria.

9.0 MEETING ISSUES – OPEN

Suppliers commented on auditor consistency between audits especially in relation to re-accreditation audits. The revised checklists should greatly improve this issue.

Suppliers suggest need to improve communication of checklist sub-team rationale prior to balloting.

For re-accreditation audits: Suppliers suggest spending less time on auditing “procedures” (just review changes) and more time doing “observation of test”. (extend the idea of the Initial/re-accred or better would be Type 1 or Type 2 audit where the questions vary between audit type [reference AC7101/1])

Reviewed proposal to change the mechanical test checklist to remove some codes which were seldom used or 100% audited by Subscribers. Reviewed in sub-team for AC7101/3 revision.

Discussed PT comments from auditors relative to AC7101/1 revision. MTL Auditor training was discussed. AGS presentation for PT programs in 2011.

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10.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – OPEN

Corwyn Berger, MTLTG Representative to the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.

The MTLTG Suppliers discussed having a meeting of “suppliers only” to discuss item MTL issues. This was a result of the open meeting discussion held earlier. The meeting was scheduled for Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 5:00PM. Kevin Wetzel from PRI will attend.

11.0 REVIEW OUTPUT OF PLANNING & OPS MEETING – OPEN

Verl Wisehart presented an overview of the Planning & Ops Meeting.

12.0 CHECKLIST SUB-TEAM WORKING SESSION – OPEN

AC7101/1 sub-team breakout session o Vote 11-2 to break table 1 into PT and IRR frequency requirements.o Motion to populate the frequencies from the existing Table 1 in AC7101/1 Rev C

by John Thomas and seconded by Dennis Kidd. Accepted by MTLTG.

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel will post PT providers list to eAuditNet and remove from list from AC7101/1. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel will review NTGOP-001 Appendix II for impact of checklist revisions and IRR/PT changes, then submit to NMC for 14-Day Affirmation Ballot. (DUE DATE: 12-NOV-10)

ACTION ITEM: The AC7101/1 Sub-team and Kevin Wetzel needs to define the procedure and/or process for control of recognized providers of PT. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)

ACTION ITEM: The AC7101/1 Sub-team and Kevin Wetzel to define mandatory and/or optional rules in Golden Rules. (DUE DATE: 28-FEB-11)

13.0 REVIEW STATUS MTL DOCUMENTS/AC – OPEN

AC7101/1 – The MTLTG supported a 14-Day Affirmation Ballot.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to format AC7101/1 then submit to the MTLTG for a 14-Day Affirmation Ballot. (DUE DATE: 12-NOV-10)


AC7101/3 – Comments were resolved for the four sections of the checklist that were balloted. Motion made by Doug Deaton and seconded by Christian Schwaminger to ballot AC7101/3 as a 21-Day Letter Ballot. No opposition from the MTLTG.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to format AC7101/3 from the 4 sections into 1 document and submit to the MTLTG for a 21-Day Letter Ballot. (DUE DATE: 30-NOV-10)




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AC7101/8 – is in effect currently.


AC7101/11 – is a stand-alone checklist, and is not connected to AC7101. The Checklist Sub-Team consisting of Doug Deaton, Frank Lennert, Christian Schwaminger, and Corwyn Berger will work on the audit criteria.

Discussion: Is “creating” same as “clarifying” requirements? What to do if the spec isn’t clear? What about subscribers with differing requirements on same topic.

14.0 REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed all Open Action Items. For specific details, please see the current Materials Testing Laboratories Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents. The RAIL will be posted November 15.

15.0 NEW BUSINESS - OPEN

Corwyn Berger reviewed the outcome of “Supplier Only” meeting.

Reviewed the MOU between Heat Treating Task Group and MTLTG for AC7101/3 and AC7101/4.

Completed the Nadcap Meeting Facilitation Feedback. Request to improve supplier participation in Auditor Training. Need to include Auditor Training/discussion time into agenda for Pittsburgh meeting. Request to improve “Open” meeting time. Request to improve document availability in breakout sessions. Need backup plans for network connectivity issues. Suppliers definitely prefer two North American meetings per year to increase participation.

16.0 FINALIZE FEBRUARY 2011 MEETING AGENDA – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed the NMC recommendation for February 2011 Nadcap Meeting Agenda at a Glance. Monday and Wednesday will be Open all day. Tuesday morning session will be a Closed session but the MTLTG will be back to an Open session after the lunch break.

17.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

17.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

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It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting. Quorum was established.

17.2 Review of Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest

18.0 SE DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Kevin Wetzel presented the Delegation Summary data for all Audit Report Reviewers. All four reviewers, (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, Joe Chivinsky & Jim Stokes) are currently delegated and continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003.

Kevin Wetzel also requested all Subscriber Voting Members make an effort to review audits and give particular attention to audits handled by other Staff Engineers/Consultant Reviewers. Due to the limited number of audit report reviews those Staff Engineers/Consultant Reviewers perform, there is a risk of their oversight slipping below 10%.

The lack of ballot participation by some Subscriber Voting Members was discussed. Everyone was encouraged to vote on audit packages regularly.

19.0 MOU DISCUSSIONS – CLOSED

The MTLTG reviewed the draft MOUs developed between HTTG and MTLTG. The MTLTG accepted draft MOUs. The MTLTG Chairperson was given authority to sign agreements when the final document is provided.

20.0 MEETING ISSUES – CLOSED

Incorrect supplier feedback on auditors was discussed. The feedback loop discussed, but nothing was resolved.

NUCAP deviation presentation was made by John Barrett.

Two deviations reviewed.

Rolls Royce deviation request accepted by unanimous vote. 10-0

Alenia deviation, TG requested more information. Vote 9-0.

ADJOURNMENT – 21-Oct-10 – Meeting was adjourned at 5:25 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Tim Myers, [email protected]

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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

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